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    Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    This is not a veil ban, this amounts to police asking to see ID.

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    CANBERRA, Australia -- Muslim women would have to remove veils and show their faces to police on request or risk a prison sentence under proposed new laws in Australia's most populous state that have drawn criticism as culturally insensitive.

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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    Totally agree with this and the Islamo-fascists are overacting -- again...
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    I'm in general against bans on religious items. However, for the purpose of State identification (such as a photo ID) or upon reasonable request from law officers, a person should have to reveal their identity.
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    This seems roughly analogous to many laws here in the US, and I suspect if a law like this one were proposed in the US it would pass Constitutional muster (in the sense of not violating the free expression clause of the First Amendment). While the law obviously disproportionately impacts Muslim women, it appears to have been enacted for the neutral purpose of allowing police to do their jobs. It is, in Constitutional parlance, a neutral law of general applicability.

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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    I don't see the big deal about this. It's not like they're banning them from wearing the veil if they want to. I don't see why they should be exempt from identification. It isn't "religious insensitivity" to hold them to the same standard as they do everyone else.
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    On just police say so, hell no, this should not be. In the US, it would not pass constitutional muster. However, with a warrant or reasonable suspicion of criminal wrongdoing (Terry v. Ohio)... then yes, I could see this. Of course, I don't know the nuances of Australian law, I can only speak for the US.
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    On just police say so, hell no, this should not be. In the US, it would not pass constitutional muster. However, with a warrant or reasonable suspicion of criminal wrongdoing (Terry v. Ohio)... then yes, I could see this. Of course, I don't know the nuances of Australian law, I can only speak for the US.
    The way I read this, it was meant to apply to legitimate police investigations rather than the whims of police officers. Obviously I agree with your point re: reasonable suspicion.

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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    Gee.

    Who knew that wearing a veil made it difficult for police to see your face?
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    On just police say so, hell no, this should not be. In the US, it would not pass constitutional muster. However, with a warrant or reasonable suspicion of criminal wrongdoing (Terry v. Ohio)... then yes, I could see this. Of course, I don't know the nuances of Australian law, I can only speak for the US.
    Just like IDs I believe police should not have the right to ask you to see them unless there is a reasonable suspicion of wrong doing. You walking around in public regardless if your face is concealed or not warrant reasonable suspicion.

    Now I do believe if you want a ID or driver's licenses or something else that requires a photo the veil should come off for that photo. If you If you testify in court the veil should come off because you have the right to face your accuser. If you are driving the veil should come off mostly because it would restrict your vision.Banks should be able to restrict their customers from concealing their identity due to the fact people like to conceal their identity while robbing banks. And there might be other circumstances in which the veil should come off or be banned.
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    Re: Proposed Australian Law Would Make Muslim Women Lift Veil

    Police in Australia previously had the power to ask women to remove veils during the investigation of serious offences but did not have such powers during routine car stops.

    this new legislation is not just targeting women who wear veils. it's to cover all head coverings including helmets.
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