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China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

The Chinese are correct. You could cut the US military budget in half and the US would still be spending double what the Chinese spend.

Oh good gawd, you can't possibly believe that.

China is working 24 hours a day on it's military development. Don't kid yourself. They're just so far behind us militarily, they want us to slow down so they can catch up.
 
The U.S. and China are probably more strongly linked now than at any other time in history. They are the number one holder of U.S. Debt and I suspect we are number one when it comes to their exports. A solution of war between the two countries would have nothing but negative impacts both ways.

The Chinese general may have said the right thing for the wrong reasons, but we do need to stop spending so much on defense. We outspend the next country by a 6 to 1 ratio and then go on to outspend the world combined on defense.

The Federal government is charged with defending our borders from attack. Oddly, I see no enemy army off our shores getting ready to invade. Us invading Iraq in no way defended our borders. Afghanistan is debatable on this topic. Now we are involved with bombing Libya. IMO the last righteous war we were in was WWII.

So, now we do a little math. Annual defense budget is $750 Billion. We have spent right at $4 Trillion on two recent wars. It will be a while before we have the cost of the Libya action, but that will need to be factored in as well.

In a great many of the wars or military actions in the world, the greatest constant is U.S. involvement. We would be better off exporting them McDonalds than fighting most of them. We seem to be set on making new enemies, rather than non-military engagement.

There is no Constitutional mandate, nor enumerated directive for the U.S. to be the world police. We cannot continue to ignore the domestic problems this country is facing today in favor of military globetrotting. It's past time to turn our focus inward and to insist that others go police the world, if it's so important.

This isn't a left or right political issue, it's just common sense.
 
Oh good gawd, you can't possibly believe that.

China is working 24 hours a day on it's military development. Don't kid yourself. They're just so far behind us militarily, they want us to slow down so they can catch up.

Why would we have to "slow down"? I bet there's **** tons of waste in the defense department, lots of fat to cut which wouldn't harm our efficiency or technology. Plus we could stop participating in forever war since that's cost us well over a trillion dollars thus far. I mean, we're out of money right? I hear the right talk about that all the time. How come y'all won't entertain the notion of less spending and smaller government?
 
Why would we have to "slow down"? I bet there's **** tons of waste in the defense department, lots of fat to cut which wouldn't harm our efficiency or technology. Plus we could stop participating in forever war since that's cost us well over a trillion dollars thus far. I mean, we're out of money right? I hear the right talk about that all the time. How come y'all won't entertain the notion of less spending and smaller government?

Clearly you hate freedom and apple pie.
 
that is incorrect - Chinese spending on defense is way under-reported. one of the benefits of being a totalitarian dictatorship is that you can lie at will.

Even going by the likely inflated DoD estimates Chinese military spending is still lower as a percentage of GDP when compared to Russia, France, and the United Kingdom. The Russians are actually nearly at the point of the U.S. in that respect, though obviously the white Ruskies of the north aren't quite as frighteningly foreign-looking as the great yellow threat of the East.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
The Chinese are correct. You could cut the US military budget in half and the US would still be spending double what the Chinese spend.
Erod said:
Oh good gawd, you can't possibly believe that.

China is working 24 hours a day on it's military development. Don't kid yourself. They're just so far behind us militarily, they want us to slow down so they can catch up.

Why would you think that she couldn't possibly think that?

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Your hat a little tight?...:lol:
 
Why would you think that she couldn't possibly think that?

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Your hat a little tight?...:lol:

Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
 
Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
No matter what figures anyone shows you defend the massive spending. The debate is pointless. You won't agree with anything anyone says anyway and would allow the US to spend every penny that comes in on expansion of the military industrial complex.
 
Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.

True as that may be, you are ignoring a good point made by me and others here, there is an incredible amount of waste and bad contracting in the military more than any politician will ever freely admit in fear of retribution and more than any Republican will ever care to think about because even though they question the government as a whole's motives and cost non-stop they dare not question the motives of the security and defense departments as they misinterpret that as unpatriotic.
 
Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.

I have a question:

Let's say we cut our military spending in half. What impacts would you forsee re: China?
 
It's in China's best interest to see to it that we spend less on defense.

At this point, it's in ours as well.

But the real problem is cost overruns. Compared to the Reagan era and adjusting for inflation, we are still spending a hell of a lot more while getting a lot less. I'd love for someone to comment on defense-related inflation.
 
that is incorrect - Chinese spending on defense is way under-reported. one of the benefits of being a totalitarian dictatorship is that you can lie at will.

Come, now, cpwill. GWB used off-balance sheet accounting to hide the true cost of the War in Iraq and you have the gawl to bash the Chinesse military for their "hidden" military spending tactics?

That aside, I think if people were being realistic they'd realize that there is tons of wasteful spending in the defense budget. I mean, just recently there was a report of billions of funds spent on Iraq that has gone unaccounted for. Of course, the kind of wasteful spending we all truly consider "wasteful" is purchasing aircraft and mobile vehicles under bloated defense contracts or for military hardward that really don't work as advertised OR spending on small things to cover up the procurement of bigger things. Anybody remember $500 for a hammer from the 80's? It still happens even today.
 
Ignoring the obviously idiotic comments by some folks, we can absolutely cut defense without cutting jobs. We can even increase defense spending on equipment (while maintaining overall defense cuts) which would stimulate job growth. We just need to do things radically more efficiently. Anyone that has any involvement with the senior leadership of the military has a feel for how much money we waste annually on things like conferences, trainings, administrative costs, contract costs, etc.

However, I dont think China is being benevolent and looking out for US citizens. I think China is stirring discontent, trying to get us to slow defense spending so they dont have to keep up, and is also not a little bit concerned about the debt we owe them. China may want to heed their own words of caution with regard to 'taking care of' their own people...at least where 'taking care of' their people doenst mean rounding up dissidents and imprisonng them.

So military spending is the new welfare of the 2000's?
 
Oh good gawd, you can't possibly believe that.

China is working 24 hours a day on it's military development. Don't kid yourself. They're just so far behind us militarily, they want us to slow down so they can catch up.

And you know this. I would like to see the massive amount of links that you have to prove your point. There have to 100's of thousands of them to back up your claim.
 
Communist are going to be running the world in the next few generations.
 
Communist are going to be running the world in the next few generations.

You bet. With the gap between rich and poor widening, it won't take much effort to win the hearts and minds of the populace. America is changing so fast, it's actually creating a fertile ground for radical movements and even reactionary ones to sprout up.
 
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Иосиф Сталин;1059642104 said:
You bet. With the gap between rich and poor widening, it won't take much effort to win the hearts and minds of the populace. America is changing so fast, it's actually creating a fertile ground for radical movements and even reactionary ones to sprout up.

keep dreaming bro
 
So military spending is the new welfare of the 2000's?

There has ALWAYS been waste in every level of spending regardless of who the administration has been. The military is not immune to it.
 
Clearly, we should listen to China when determining our defense budget.
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