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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    The Chinese are correct. You could cut the US military budget in half and the US would still be spending double what the Chinese spend.
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    Oh good gawd, you can't possibly believe that.

    China is working 24 hours a day on it's military development. Don't kid yourself. They're just so far behind us militarily, they want us to slow down so they can catch up.
    Why would you think that she couldn't possibly think that?



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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Why would you think that she couldn't possibly think that?



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    Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

    That tells me that they will spend less. The US is already outspending them 5 or 6 to one. So they are correct the US is spending to much.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

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    Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
    No matter what figures anyone shows you defend the massive spending. The debate is pointless. You won't agree with anything anyone says anyway and would allow the US to spend every penny that comes in on expansion of the military industrial complex.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

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    Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
    True as that may be, you are ignoring a good point made by me and others here, there is an incredible amount of waste and bad contracting in the military more than any politician will ever freely admit in fear of retribution and more than any Republican will ever care to think about because even though they question the government as a whole's motives and cost non-stop they dare not question the motives of the security and defense departments as they misinterpret that as unpatriotic.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

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    Does a Nimitz class carrier cost the same in China? Well we'll know as soon as they figure out how to build one. Does a Chinese engineer get paid the same as an American engineer? If their sweatshops are any indication, the answer is 'NO'.
    I have a question:

    Let's say we cut our military spending in half. What impacts would you forsee re: China?
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

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    So, looks like our Chinese "friends" agree with the left.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's in China's best interest to see to it that we spend less on defense.
    At this point, it's in ours as well.

    But the real problem is cost overruns. Compared to the Reagan era and adjusting for inflation, we are still spending a hell of a lot more while getting a lot less. I'd love for someone to comment on defense-related inflation.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: China: U.S. Spends Too Much on Military

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is incorrect - Chinese spending on defense is way under-reported. one of the benefits of being a totalitarian dictatorship is that you can lie at will.
    Come, now, cpwill. GWB used off-balance sheet accounting to hide the true cost of the War in Iraq and you have the gawl to bash the Chinesse military for their "hidden" military spending tactics?

    That aside, I think if people were being realistic they'd realize that there is tons of wasteful spending in the defense budget. I mean, just recently there was a report of billions of funds spent on Iraq that has gone unaccounted for. Of course, the kind of wasteful spending we all truly consider "wasteful" is purchasing aircraft and mobile vehicles under bloated defense contracts or for military hardward that really don't work as advertised OR spending on small things to cover up the procurement of bigger things. Anybody remember $500 for a hammer from the 80's? It still happens even today.

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