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U.S. decrees that marijuana has no accepted medical use

Isn't one of the reasons possibly how absolutely horrible and idiotically easy it is to get pot legally - even without a disease? My buddy in Glendale has a neighbor self medicating from the dispensary due to "depression" and gets a script for it and has for the past 4 years or so. I mean literally, you can go to a marijuana friendly doctor, nurse practitioner, or anyone who can write a script and get pot for anything.
 
This an end-run around states' rights, a nod to lobbyists for big pharma, and the job-protection act for tens of thousands of federal enforcement personnel. It also guarantees that the trillion-dollar drug cartels will be doing business as usual, along with all the blood and death that entails, for the foreseeable future. If marijuana was legalized, crime cartels would take a billion dollar hit, and be crippled. If all drugs were decriminalized, crime cartels around the globe would instantly implode.

One thing the feds are consistent about is protecting the necessity of their own existance.
 
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At least now it appears that there can be an appeal and actual rulings.
 
Ockham said:
My point is that Obama's got the Democratic vote locked up... who are the existing medical marijuana smokers going to vote for (assuming they could vote, would vote and aren't too stoned or ditch for munchies and pop instead on Nov 2nd?) a Republican??! He's pandering to the Centrists, Moderates, Liberal Conservatives by floating out the discussion through the DEA mouthpiece. It's good politics....
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You can bet your ass I will be at the polls, but this may well be the straw that has broken the camel's back for me. Assuming it's Romney v Obama, I'm strongly considering voting independent. I will however vote Obama over a few potential candidates I will leave unnamed. Don't assume all liberals (or conservatives for that matter) will vote straight ticket regardless of political climate.
 
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there is a Federal program that distributes marijuana cigs. to a few hundred patients around the country.

is this policy going to end?
 
Ockham said:
Isn't one of the reasons possibly how absolutely horrible and idiotically easy it is to get pot legally - even without a disease? My buddy in Glendale has a neighbor self medicating from the dispensary due to "depression" and gets a script for it and has for the past 4 years or so. I mean literally, you can go to a marijuana friendly doctor, nurse practitioner, or anyone who can write a script and get pot for anything.
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It's true that it's ridiculously easy to get a pot prescription (I live in SF, believe me I know), but no, that's not one of the reasons the feds are such dicks about this. The conclusion reached by the ruling in the OP was that pot has no valid medical uses, not that pot prescriptions are prone to abuse. These are two very different concerns. Incidentally, one could make the argument that it's incredibly easy to get all kinds of mind altering prescription drugs (e.g. valium, vicodin, xanax, etc). The feds haven't cracked down on any of those drugs...
 
Aderleth said:
Incidentally, one could make the argument that it's incredibly easy to get all kinds of mind altering prescription drugs (e.g. valium, vicodin, xanax, etc). The feds haven't cracked down on any of those drugs...
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Actually, over the last couple of decades, the authorities have gotten downright jack-booted about pain management doctors and the prescriptions they give to their patients...
 
BDBoop said:
What the hell is going on???
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It only means that MJ has no accepted medical use, nothing more.

There are many other things people ingest which could fall under the same heading.

It's not necessarily a bummer.
 
what about the evidence of helping with glaucoma and the nausea created from chemotherapy?

did they say this evidence is bogus?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Actually, over the last couple of decades, the authorities have gotten downright jack-booted about pain management doctors and the prescriptions they give to their patients...
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Two things:

1) I don't know that that's as universally true as you might think (and I have personal and anecdotal reasons to believe as much).

2) I'm talking less about pain management (vicodin reference to the contrary) than I am about various prescriptions related to depression and anxiety, which are given out like candy.
 
Aderleth said:
Two things:

1) I don't know that that's as universally true as you might think (and I have personal and anecdotal reasons to believe as much).
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I've been doing a lot of reading about overcriminalization (starting with Harvey Silvergate's "Three Felonies a Day"), and this has figured pretty prominently.

Aderleth said:
2) I'm talking less about pain management (vicodin reference to the contrary) than I am about various prescriptions related to depression and anxiety, which are given out like candy.
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Fair enough.
 
Marijuana has no curative medical effects. It has a sedative effect and is more beneficial than most pain killers to many of those that use it. It is a pretty obvious fact that lots of people have recieved their 'card' that prolly dont 'need' medicinal marijuana.

I think it should be made legal for recreational use.
 
VanceMack said:
I think it should be made legal for recreational use.
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if you are over 18, and one can only possess a small amount.

in order to grow it, you should get a license. and there should be govt. regulated distribution centers for such grown weed.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I've been doing a lot of reading about overcriminalization (starting with Harvey Silvergate's "Three Felonies a Day"), and this has figured pretty prominently.
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You may have more accurate information than I do re: painkillers if you've actually been researching the subject. I haven't done any actual research. I'm mostly basing my opinion on my own experiences and those of my friends. For example, two or three years ago I had been having occasional recurrent (but severe) stomach pains (probably related to the appendicitis I eventually needed) and I told my doctor I wanted a prescription for something on a "just in case" basis. I.e., a small amount of some painkiller on the off-chance that I'd need it once or twice a year. He gave me a prescription for 40 high dosage vicodin, and a refill for same. Frankly I was floored. Maybe that wouldn't happen today? Maybe it was just a result of the fact that I live in urban California and we (as a population) do lots of drugs?
 
Thunder said:
if you are over 18, and one can only possess a small amount.

in order to grow it, you should get a license. and there should be govt. regulated distribution centers for such grown weed.[/QUOTE]

Why? I agree the law should be age appropriate (18, 21, it weont get passed but let them hammer it out). But I see no reason why individuals shouldnt be allowed to grow for their own use and create a cash crop as well. No different than any other farmer or agro-producer. Hell, we can legalize it, roll them, and sell them to the Columbians and Panamanians!
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VanceMack said:
Marijuana has no curative medical effects. It has a sedative effect and is more beneficial than most pain killers to many of those that use it. It is a pretty obvious fact that lots of people have recieved their 'card' that prolly dont 'need' medicinal marijuana.

I think it should be made legal for recreational use.
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Marijuana is good for pain management, to be sure, but also good for (e.g.) nausea relief for chemo patients. I agree it has no curative properties, but neither do many psychoactive drugs (e.g. xanax, etc) that are not treated as Schedule I narcotics. Put another way, there are tons of things that doctors prescribe that merely reduce the symptoms of medical conditions rather than resolving underlying causes. There's no good reason I've seen that marijuana shouldn't be one of those things.

Obviously I agree that it should be legal for personal use independent of its medical benefits. In a free society, we do not need reasons to make something legal, we need reasons to make something illegal.
 
So a group of DEA agents popped popcorn, watched "Reefer Madness", then decided that they needed to have as many people to bust as possible. Highly predictable.

No, weed won't cure anything, but neither will any prescription medicine outside of antibiotics. It has to do with a person's quality of life. Anyone taking pain relief prescribed medicine can tell you just how fast a body builds up a tolerance to those pills. Not to mention, many become dingy and slow thinking due to the side effects.

If we let big pharma control the prescribed marijuana and benefit from the profits thereof, it would be legal in all 50 states tomorrow.
 
I would like to remind the DEA that kids can get their hands on pot easier than they can alcohol.
 
"I'm going get stoned so I feel no pain." Yea, it's for the pain. It's not for the high you get smoking weed. It has no medical uses, it kills pain because it makes you high. Ice kills pain too. It also helps the healing process.

But that being said, as long as you're not forcing someone to smoke a blunt, I don't care what you do. It's your body, but don't give me some bullshyt ass excuse that you're smoking it for medical reasons. You're smoking it to get high. Pain killers kill the pain, but without the high. No wonder the dope fiends want to smoke dope.

We have plenty of meds out there that can alleviate pain. Don't give me that ****. :lamo
 
dontworrybehappy said:
"I'm going get stoned so I feel no pain." Yea, it's for the pain. It's not for the high you get smoking weed. It has no medical uses, it kills pain because it makes you high. Ice kills pain too. It also helps the healing process.

But that being said, as long as you're not forcing someone to smoke a blunt, I don't care what you do. It's your body, but don't give me some bullshyt ass excuse that you're smoking it for medical reasons. You're smoking it to get high. Pain killers kill the pain, but without the high. No wonder the dope fiends want to smoke dope.

We have plenty of meds out there that can alleviate pain. Don't give me that ****. :lamo
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Have you ever tried marijuana?
 
dontworrybehappy said:
"I'm going get stoned so I feel no pain." Yea, it's for the pain. It's not for the high you get smoking weed. It has no medical uses, it kills pain because it makes you high. Ice kills pain too. It also helps the healing process.

But that being said, as long as you're not forcing someone to smoke a blunt, I don't care what you do. It's your body, but don't give me some bullshyt ass excuse that you're smoking it for medical reasons. You're smoking it to get high. Pain killers kill the pain, but without the high. No wonder the dope fiends want to smoke dope.

We have plenty of meds out there that can alleviate pain. Don't give me that ****. :lamo
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There are no doubt many that smoke it just to get high. There are also a lot of folks that have legit pains that dont smoke it just to get high. Some people dont react well to pain meds. Any of the Oxy/Roxi family of drugs has absolutely no impact on me regardless of dosage. If I need pain meds (very seldom, even post op with my knee replacement) I need some serious KYBO drugs. Delaudid and morphine works in the appropriate dosage...but then...its lights out. Its pretty foolish to force people to ingest synthetic drugs for pain when something like marijuana is available, plentiful, and cheap. Now...why would major pharmaceutical companies object to a drug that is non-addictive, available, cheap, and if desired can be grown at home?
 
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