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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

In fact it does. If you can prove that my actions are causing you harm then you can bring me into a court and the court may side with you and make me pay.

Historically, citizens have never had much luck fighting big corporations in court, that is why we created the EPA.
 
Personally, I prefer being informed rather than bliss from ignorance.



First some background on the new efficiency standards that were begun under the Reagan Administration:

"There is no looming ban or phase out of incandescent bulbs. The entire hullabaloo is based on a fictitious claim manufactured by Barton.

All major lighting manufacturers, including Philips, Sylvania and GE, currently produce and sell incandescent light bulbs that meet or exceed the new standards (with no compromise in functionality). In fact, the lighting industry helped craft the 2007 legislation with the full understanding that they could produce incandescent bulbs that meet them."

"Legislation establishing common-sense efficiency standards for energy-using equipment has traditionally enjoyed overwhelming support from conservatives. The first such legislation was signed into law 25 years ago by President Ronald Reagan. Thanks to the legislation enacted by Reagan and similar laws signed by his successors, Americans are saving billions of dollars on their utility bills."
There is No Light Bulb “Ban” | FrumForum


"One common misconception about this legislation is that it outlaws incandescent bulbs. In fact it
sets specification performance thresholds for general service incandescent lamps, a distinction
that excludes many incandescent lighting products such as traffic signal bulbs, reflector bulbs, 3-
way bulbs, and numerous others. It does set the following efficiency standards for lamps that
meet the “general service incandescent” definition, which applies only to lamps that range from
310 Watts to 2600 Watts."

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damn, good thing my favorite desk lamp is only
300 watts....
 
Why that is an excellent reason for 80,000 plus regulations, two and a half million busybody bureaucrats and a host of other very bad results from our flirtation with statism and socialism.

When you are free you can take those and any other externality into consideration as you decide to pass by the two dollar bulb and reach for the mercury-laden ten dollar one that the busybody bureaucrats have chosen for you. I choose freedom. Government always makes things worse.
mercury laden? how much mercury vapor is in a standard 100w (equivalent) CFL? You would have to break a few thousand and purposely inhale to get hurt...
BTW, got smoke detectors in your home? read up on what is in THEM....
 
Freedom means the ability to act irresponsibly ... forcing people to act responsibly according to one persons view of what is or is not responsible requires fear and a totalitarian dictatorship. Finally came out of the closet huh?
we are not enjoying freedom if acting irresponsibly means living off the govt. teat....like 2 of my siblings. Their freedom to do so is being paif for out of our taxes...
 
Such is the view of all tyrants. A living Constitution is not a Constitution at all.
gettin' deep in here, deep, dark, and full of stupid...

The founding fathersd were enlightened, but could not know the future. THey weren't gods, you know. The Constitution is a living document, it can be changed, and has, for the better.....
 
Historically, citizens have never had much luck fighting big corporations in court, that is why we created the EPA.
So that is why you did it? That explains much. It needs to go. My vote is for 100 defunding. Fire the people. Sell the furniture and the buildings. Save America. But that is just me, I have no really strong opinions.
 
mercury laden? how much mercury vapor is in a standard 100w (equivalent) CFL? You would have to break a few thousand and purposely inhale to get hurt...
BTW, got smoke detectors in your home? read up on what is in THEM....
Are you denyong that the government mandated bulbs have mercury in them?
 
Unleaded gas is the real tyranny i tell ya!
I admit that I am impressed with how many of you so willingly don slaves clothing and let others make all of your decisions for you. You are unfit to be free. Perhaps that is why you are the way you are.
 
Are you denyong that the government mandated bulbs have mercury in them?
I will type slower just for you:roll:.....there IS mercury in them, I said that there was, I am also saying that it is a very small amount. Living down wind of a coal fired power plant will probably expose you to more mercury. Eating certain fish, likewise...
Something else to consider, the human body is radioactive....do you sleep alone.:shock:
 
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gettin' deep in here, deep, dark, and full of stupid...

The founding fathersd were enlightened, but could not know the future. THey weren't gods, you know. The Constitution is a living document, it can be changed, and has, for the better.....
That is the view of tyrants.
 
I will type slower just for you:roll:.....there IS mercury in them, I said that there was, I am also saying that it is a very small amount. Living down wind of a coal fired power plant will probably expose you to more mercury. Eating certain fish, likewise...
Something else to consider, the human body is radioactive....do you sleep alone.:shock:
I see. So having the government mandate that I must buy things to expose me to poison is a better solution than to let me decide?
 
I admit that I am impressed with how many of you so willingly don slaves clothing and let others make all of your decisions for you. You are unfit to be free. Perhaps that is why you are the way you are.
what clothing do you wear? martyr? self appointed protector of the public for insignifcant issues?
You said it yourself, or someone here did, we get to make our own choices. I will burn incandescents in some places, where it makes sense, and CFL in others....
We are all free, free at last to choose our destiny, be it conserving the planet God has given us stewardship of, or wasting the resources thereof....choose ye this day what path you will take, because some of those paths are full of weirdos....extremists, those who inhabit the dark recesses of extreme conservatism, and extreme liberalism. We have plenty of people who waste energy, use it without knowing how it got to their homes, and we even have some people who use little energy for no other reason than to save money (how selfish of them).
You have made your point, I would say get on your horsie and ride away, but you have beaten it to death, and continue to beat it.
I think I am having a reaction to my evening meds, might have to upchuck....
later...
 
I see. So having the government mandate that I must buy things to expose me to poison is a better solution than to let me decide?
There is no mandate, incandescents are still available, and will continue to be, they are called Halogens, incandescents on steroids, you might say. There is more poison in the binders used to make your daily vitamins....jut not enough to hurt you.....even pure water can be a poison if you drink too much of it. It's everywhere, these infintesimal amounts of stuff that in humongous concentrations can kill, be very very afraid....
 
I see. So having the government mandate that I must buy things to expose me to poison is a better solution than to let me decide?
I know someone who suffers from long term mercury exposure from a substantial spill in an enclosed area a long time ago, the dental offices where he practiced while in the Air Force. He is now getting 100% disability from the Veterans Administration because of the exposure. Someone spilled the Hg, and halfassedly cleaned it upwithout telling anyone he spilled it.
So for a considerable amount of time, those who worked there were exposed....He has PN, peripheral neuropathy in his hands and feet.
Symptoms don't show up for years afterward. Really heavy exposure, including ingestion, will display symptoms a lot sooner.
 
mercury laden? how much mercury vapor is in a standard 100w (equivalent) CFL? You would have to break a few thousand and purposely inhale to get hurt...
BTW, got smoke detectors in your home? read up on what is in THEM....

Enough mercury in them to cause Canada to delay their incandescent ban over concerns of the mercury in CFL bulbs. Guess they care more for their citizens than we do.
 
Enough mercury in them to cause Canada to delay their incandescent ban over concerns of the mercury in CFL bulbs. Guess they care more for their citizens than we do.
Link?
Canada doesn't have the same strict emissions requirements for cars as the USA, do they not care for their citizens?
 
Well the government DID have to ban leaded gasoline, mandate catalytic converters, stop the sale of most asbestos prducts, PCBs, etc. All of these changes were for the public good and they required the introduction of new products.

I can still buy leaded gas.
 
a secret stash of.....light bulbs?:shock:
what else you got hidden?

Nothing secret. I knew that when I actually wanted to see that I would have bulbs available to do that. Seems I won't have to worry about it for awhile.
 
Yep, if everyone had done voluntarily what I did, there would be no need now to force people to act responsibly.

How long does a candle last you now? Has technological improvements helped them to last longer than they used to?
 
I will type slower just for you:roll:.....there IS mercury in them, I said that there was, I am also saying that it is a very small amount. Living down wind of a coal fired power plant will probably expose you to more mercury. Eating certain fish, likewise...
Something else to consider, the human body is radioactive....do you sleep alone.:shock:

How much is all the Mercury combined dumped into landfills going to be? Mercury is far, far more dangerous than a standard lightbulb.
 
How much is all the Mercury combined dumped into landfills going to be? Mercury is far, far more dangerous than a standard lightbulb.
in sufficient concentrations and ingested into the body, yes. otherwise, no...mercury is not dangerous.
 
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