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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

Gill said:
So the advertisements claim. Do you believe every advertisement you see ???

Yep, tell the single mom with two young kids while working a $8 / hour job that. I'm sure she'll be thrilled that you want her to buy a $30 LED instead of a 49 cent incandescent.

Wait, don't tell me......... the dems will now propose bulb subsidies for everyone under 5 x poverty level, right ????
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No, I research the lastest technical information sources. Consulting outdated articles like the one you posted above, only provides outdated information.

You also need to make up your mind what you want, higher efficiency or cheap light bulbs. If you want cheap that are only 30% more efficient then the old incandescent bulbs, then you go with the new Halogen incandescent light bulbs:
Shop SYLVANIA 4-Pack 43-Watt Soft White Halogen Light Bulb at Lowes.com

If you want more efficiency and better value for your money go with the CFL's:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_23790-371-60043_0__?productId=1238133&Ntt=cfl&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dcfl&facetInfo=

or LED's:
Shop SYLVANIA 60-Watt Equivalent Indoor Soft White LED Light Bulb at Lowes.com
 
Catawba said:
If you want more efficiency and better value for your money go with the CFL's:

Shop Bright Effects 2-Pack 100-Watt Equivalent CFL Light Bulb at Lowes.com

or LED's:
Shop SYLVANIA 60-Watt Equivalent Indoor Soft White LED Light Bulb at Lowes.com
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Efficiency?! I don't want no stinkin' efficiency! That nonsense infringes on my freedom to be a goober, waste energy and allow those coal plants to continue to take a crap in our air! This is America dangnabbit!

Idiocracy is on it's way.
 
Catawba said:
If you want more efficiency and better value for your money go with the CFL's:
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I imagine (once again this point) that she isnt thrilled with the Mercury around the kids. I simply get a kick out of those pushing the problem with pollution still promoting bulbs with Mercury in them. It simply goes to show it's really not about pollution.
 
Tettsuo said:
Efficiency?! I don't want no stinkin' efficiency! That nonsense infringes on my freedom to be a goober, waste energy and allow those coal plants to continue to take a crap in our air! This is America dangnabbit!

Idiocracy is on it's way.
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Exactly, the GOP in fact are trying to ban the education of energy efficiency as I documented here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/103887-energy-secretary-steven-chu-defends-light-bulb-standards-gop-seeks-repeal-25.html#post1059661568
 
1Perry said:
I imagine (once again this point) that she isnt thrilled with the Mercury around the kids. I simply get a kick out of those pushing the problem with pollution still promoting bulbs with Mercury in them. It simply goes to show it's really not about pollution.
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As snopes has long ago proven, the mercury in the CFL's do not pose a grave danger and do not require a hazmat team to deal with. However, if you do not like using them you have other options that I listed above.
 
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1Perry said:
I imagine (once again this point) that she isnt thrilled with the Mercury around the kids. I simply get a kick out of those pushing the problem with pollution still promoting bulbs with Mercury in them. It simply goes to show it's really not about pollution.
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If your electricity comes from coal, you release more mercury into the environment by using the incandescent, actually. (THERES MERCURY IN COAL, PEOPLE. IT GOES INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN NORMAL OPERATIONS)
 
Catawba said:
As snopes has long ago proven, the mercury in the CFL's do not pose a grave danger and do not require a hazmat team to deal with. However, if you do not like using them you have other options that I listed above.
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And as I have stated, no light bulb poses a grave danger. That you would defend lights with Mercury in them goes to say a lot about what all of this is about.
 
Deuce said:
If your electricity comes from coal, you release more mercury into the environment by using the incandescent, actually. (THERES MERCURY IN COAL, PEOPLE. IT GOES INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN NORMAL OPERATIONS)
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But Mercury doesn't pose a "grave danger" so why all the fuss?
 
1Perry said:
And as I have stated, no light bulb poses a grave danger. That you would defend lights with Mercury in them goes to say a lot about what all of this is about.
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Snopes defended them. I just referenced their info. BTW, No one is forcing you to use CFLs if you are afraid of them. I have been swithching to LEDs myself. Those that can't afford the intitial cost (even though they are cheaper in the long run) are swiching to Halogen incandescents or CFL's. The whole planet is switching away from the old incandescent light bulbs as the the energy crisis deepens and global warming increases. Even the Bush adminsitration saw this, which is why they supported the legislation. :sun
 
Catawba said:
Snopes defended them. I just referenced their info. BTW, No one is forcing you to use CFLs if you are afraid of them.
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Lightbulbs do not scare me. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
 
Polotick said:
No place is completely safe. Once in a while we are given the choice of living on our knees or dying on our feet. I choose the latter.

Give me freedom or give me death.
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You may choose death. Go ahead. Die on your feet.

Some of us prefer to take common sense measures and gather intelligence to prevent our deaths. Others of us have no such sense and die in vain. You go right ahead and die in vain.
 
1Perry said:
Lightbulbs do not scare me. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
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Maybe that was your intention, but so far you have failed at pointing out any hypocrisy, as no one is requiring the use of CFL's, and as Deuce pointed out, more mercury is released in using the old incandescent bulbs than the optional CFL's! :sun
 
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Catawba said:
You also need to make up your mind what you want, higher efficiency or cheap light bulbs.
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It is good to have the choice without the government telling me which choices I am allowed. For some the inexpensive bulbs are the right solution. For others the more expensive bulbs. For a few of us a mix is just about right.

The government, filled with highly paid busybodies, making up rules all day long to harry, to harass, to bully me, is just un-American. It is time to tell the bullies that their party is over.

The New Independence day might be just such a day.
 
Misterveritis said:
It is good to have the choice without the government telling me which choices I am allowed. For some the inexpensive bulbs are the right solution. For others the more expensive bulbs. For a few of us a mix is just about right.
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The halogen incandescent light bulbs are very cheap. Did you miss the link I provided for their price at Lowes above? Yes, I am aware some people feel they should have the "freedom" to pollute no matter how it affects others, or our economy. Fortunately, we have a representative government! :sun
 
Misterveritis said:
It is time to defund the Left's propaganda arm. This seems a common sense start.
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So you are opposed to educating kids about energy efficiency as they prepare for a world in an energy crisis? Very sad. Education is a terrible thing to waste.
 
Catawba said:
So you are opposed to educating kids about energy efficiency as they prepare for a world in an energy crisis? Very sad. Education is a terrible thing to waste.
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Government schools are bad enough. Now we have the ministry of environmental truth to teach the little kids how to be green. Can turning in your parents be too far around the corner?

No thanks. Defund the Left. Return to individual freedom. Embrace liberty.
 
1Perry said:
But Mercury doesn't pose a "grave danger" so why all the fuss?
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2mg of mercury in your home does not pose a grave danger to the inhabitants.

Kilotons of mercury released into the atmosphere, getting into water tables and soil, on the other hand, can cause problems. You know how they tell pregnant women not to eat so many fish?
 
Misterveritis said:
You may choose death. Go ahead. Die on your feet.

Some of us prefer to take common sense measures and gather intelligence to prevent our deaths. Others of us have no such sense and die in vain. You go right ahead and die in vain.
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Sorry, it's a measure you are going to lose.
 
Deuce said:
2mg of mercury in your home does not pose a grave danger to the inhabitants.

Kilotons of mercury released into the atmosphere, getting into water tables and soil, on the other hand, can cause problems. You know how they tell pregnant women not to eat so many fish?
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The countless bulbs that end up in landfills are O.K. with you?
 
Misterveritis said:
And fortunately we are taking it back.
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LOL! You don't even have a candidate that is not bat-**** crazy! Good luck on taking anything back! :sun
 
Catawba said:
As snopes has long ago proven, the mercury in the CFL's do not pose a grave danger and do not require a hazmat team to deal with. However, if you do not like using them you have other options that I listed above.
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You should read the thread before quoting an entity like Snopes.

I quoted a recent peer reviewed scientific paper earlier in this thread that shows that broken CFL bulbs release air borne mercury that EXCEEDS government recommendations.

What were you saying about quoting out-of-date information earlier ????
 
Deuce said:
If your electricity comes from coal, you release more mercury into the environment by using the incandescent, actually. (THERES MERCURY IN COAL, PEOPLE. IT GOES INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN NORMAL OPERATIONS)
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Coal introduces mercury into my home ???

News to me.
 
Gill said:
Coal introduces mercury into my home ???

News to me.
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Depending on the efficiency of the scrubber system of the power plant and how far you live from it yes

Coal does contain amounts of mercury, lead, uranium and other elements that are expelled into the air as the coal is burned ie the massive plums of steam that you can see from the smoke stacks contains water, CO2, ash, and the non burning elements like lead, mercury etc. Good scrubbers will reduce those amounts drastically. The older the plant, generally the higher amounts of ash and metals are released into the atmosphere. So yes burning coal will introduce mercury into your home through the air you breath
 
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