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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

So would the added Mercury from the acceptable bulbs with Mercury in them.

Wrong, this was disproved a long time ago: snopes.com: CFL Mercury Light Bulbs

Besides, no one is requiring anyone to use CFL bulbs anyway. You can you use the more efficient halogen incandescant bulbs or the LEDs.
 
Wrong, this was disproved a long time ago: snopes.com: CFL Mercury Light Bulbs

I'm confused. What exactly do you think you were countering with that link? It clearly states they contain Mercury.

Besides, no one is requiring anyone to use CFL bulbs anyway. You can you use the more efficient halogen incandescant bulbs or the LEDs.

LED's are very expensive and the light doesn't radiate like a CFL or standard bulb.
 
What if it does? If you are so concerning with energy usage, like I said, turn your computer off. Also, what if I don't much care for the added Mercury in a CFL bulb? Why do your concerns trump mine?

I've explained my opinion to you several times now and you still don't seem to understand it. I'm not going to do it again.

You can buy an LED or a halogen bulb if the mercury content bothers you.
 
I've explained my opinion to you several times now and you still don't seem to understand it. I'm not going to do it again.

You can buy an LED or a halogen bulb if the mercury content bothers you.

What if I want the freedom to purchase incandescent or florescent bulbs? Do I still have the freedom to do that or has that freedom been taken away by tyrants?
 
I've explained my opinion to you several times now and you still don't seem to understand it. I'm not going to do it again.

You can buy an LED or a halogen bulb if the mercury content bothers you.

Many can not afford them.
 
In other words, why should they not let you make stupid decisions if you want to make stupid decisions? Because those stupid decisions are having an adverse effect on the rest of us.
By what authority does the federal government get involved in any decision I choose to make about how much water I will use, how much electricity I will use or anything else? This is tyranny. Nothing less.
 
By what authority does the federal government get involved in any decision I choose to make about how much water I will use, how much electricity I will use or anything else? This is tyranny. Nothing less.

It's coming.
 
It's coming.
Actually, it is already here. There are days when I wonder how much longer before the people decide to just clean out washington with guns blazing. Perhaps it will come to that. History suggests it will. Democracies, even republics, tend to end in tyranny. We have arrived. We already have the show trials. Can prison, torture and murder be far behind?
 
I'm confused. What exactly do you think you were countering with that link? It clearly states they contain Mercury.

That it is not a grave danger as you suggested. At any rate, there is no requirement for their use.



LED's are very expensive and the light doesn't radiate like a CFL or standard bulb.

LED's are cheaper over the life of the bulb, and they now produce light very similar to the old standard bulbs. I have several of them now. You may also use the high efficiency halogen light bulbs.
 
What if I want the freedom to purchase incandescent or florescent bulbs? Do I still have the freedom to do that or has that freedom been taken away by tyrants?

You also don't have the freedom to run red lights or drive recklessly. Same difference. :sun
 
That it is not a grave danger as you suggested. At any rate, there is no requirement for their use.

Lightbulbs period are not a grave danger.

LED's are cheaper over the life of the bulb,

Really doesn't matter if you don't have the money today.
 
By what authority does the federal government get involved in any decision I choose to make about how much water I will use, how much electricity I will use or anything else? This is tyranny. Nothing less.

When production of electricity for wasteful use of energy has an adverse effect on others in our community. Its the same reason you don't have the "freedom" to pollute the water for downstream users.
 
Lightbulbs period are not a grave danger.



Really doesn't matter if you don't have the money today.

Well buy a ****ing halogen bulb then, or remain in the dark, I really don't give a ****!
 
You also don't have the freedom to run red lights or drive recklessly. Same difference. :sun

What? Using a lightbulb is like running a red light? Are you serious? Liberals have got to be stopped. They trample on everyone's liberty and actually believe that using a lightbulb is as dangerous as running a red light. Unbelievable!!
 
What? Using a lightbulb is like running a red light? Are you serious?

Both are unnecessarily contributing to adverse effects to their fellow citizens. Wasting energy unnecessarily increases the emissions that pose health risks. They don't light up magically you know. :sun

I'm guessing you are also opposed to the CAFE standards to make our cars more energy efficient?
 
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Both are unnecessarily contributing to adverse effects to their fellow citizens. Wasting energy unnecessarily increases the emissions that pose health risks. They don't light up magically you know. :sun

I'm guessing you are also opposed to the CAFE standards to make our cars more energy efficient?

What a crock of baloney! We have lived for a century using lightbulbs and not one person has ever died because of that usage.

As for C.A.F.E. standards, you are correct. I don't believe that we need a tyrannical government telling us what we can and cannot drive. Also, while we're at it, I believe that the tyrants should allow oil companies to drill and refine oil and gas in ANWAR and other places currently off limits. Also, I don't favor the tyrants of Washington lying to us about being able to keep our current insurance if we want and then entice businesses to drop providing coverage by making the fine very low. And, while you have stirred me a bit, I am against the tyrants of Washington spending like drunken thieves and then wanting to raise our taxes to pay for their irresponsible actions. I could go on for another hour, but, instead, I think I will head off to bed. I will leave the lights off in the hall so I don't kill anyone. Sheesh!
 
Lightbulbs period are not a grave danger.



Really doesn't matter if you don't have the money today.

No, sometimes danger is less direct. That doesn't mean it's not a danger.
Maybe you're not aware of just how much energy consumption is just from lighting.
 
No, sometimes danger is less direct. That doesn't mean it's not a danger.
Maybe you're not aware of just how much energy consumption is just from lighting.

No, lightbulbs are not going to kill us.
 
What a crock of baloney! We have lived for a century using lightbulbs and not one person has ever died because of that usage.

As for C.A.F.E. standards, you are correct. I don't believe that we need a tyrannical government telling us what we can and cannot drive. Also, while we're at it, I believe that the tyrants should allow oil companies to drill and refine oil and gas in ANWAR and other places currently off limits. Also, I don't favor the tyrants of Washington lying to us about being able to keep our current insurance if we want and then entice businesses to drop providing coverage by making the fine very low. And, while you have stirred me a bit, I am against the tyrants of Washington spending like drunken thieves and then wanting to raise our taxes to pay for their irresponsible actions. I could go on for another hour, but, instead, I think I will head off to bed. I will leave the lights off in the hall so I don't kill anyone. Sheesh!

If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.
 
If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.

Let's go thru this one step at a time:

1. You say you like tyranny and I agree with you that you do. We have an agreement.

2. You sound a lot like Chicken Little.

3. We have used the "evil" lightbulbs for a century and not one person has died using them.

4. The war in Iraq was not over oil. That is a falsehood.

5. If you even wanted oil, we could get it right here in the United States, but tyrants don't want us to drill and refine for oil or gas.

6. I'm guessing that you support battery powered cars as opposed to using gasoline. Well, which uses more energy from the power plants, my "evil" lightbulbs or the battery powered cars? Don't you see the dichotomy of the left's position?

7. This is not about energy and health. This is about tyranny and control over people's lives. People, like you, want to dictate your tyranny on Americans. It's really no more difficult to understand than that. Now, either you are a dupe or you believe this Chicken Little scenario. So what do you do? You use our tax money to subsidize your pet industries, i.e alterative fuels, which are more expensive than fossil fuels. Next, you attempt, and in many cases succeed, in stopping production of fossil fuels. The result is that fossil fuel (aka gasoline) prices rise due to supply and demand. Next, you tyrannize the auto industry into building cars that only you want and to Hell with other Americans. As you do so, you increase the cost of automobiles by all the extra equipment that has to go on those cars. Next, you want to do away with cars powered by gasoline. So you want battery cars which uses more energy that your "evil" lightbulbs and not only has the price of cars risen, but so has the price of lightbulbs.

What is the theme here? Is it to have a clean environment? Not really. If lightbulbs are so evil, battery powered cars would be evilx10. No, this is about destroying the American economy so that capitalism, free enterprise, and freedom die and are replaced by socialist-liberals who believe they know better than the rest of us as to how we should live our lives.

You tell us what we can drive, what lightbulb to use, what we can eat, and the list is ever-expanding. It is time to end this liberal madness.

If the mercury lightbulbs are truly better, then they should be marketed as such and Americans should have the choice to purchase them or the "evil" lightbulbs. That is how freedom works. Tyranny dictates that you must purchase the tyrants' lightbulb.

Now, what is the upshot of this tyranny. Did you notice how prices continue spiraling upward and we have not even talked about government spending? What happens to Americans? The poor become poorer. The lower middle class become poor. The middle class loses its standard of living. And Al Gore becomes a multi-millionaire while you enslave many more Americans to the nanny state teat.

So what is your relief? Oh, yes, take more people off of the income tax rolls since they are now poor and soak the rich with higher and higher taxes.

As the closing scene of Braveheart says: FREEDOM!!
 
When production of electricity for wasteful use of energy has an adverse effect on others in our community.
It does not. Provide more electricity.

Its the same reason you don't have the "freedom" to pollute the water for downstream users.
It is an excuse to control and to bully. It is also an excuse to reward political donors. It is tyranny. This is how it begins. And this is where we are today.
 
If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.
This is the way it always is with tyrants. You will not escape the tyranny you so eagerly promote.
 
Speaking of tyranny, let's repeal The Patriot Act first, then fight over light bulbs.
 
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