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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

So does that mean your all for it? What does it matter if your George Bush's #1 Fan?

Were you capable of picking out your own light bulbs prior to the Liberal Nanny State doing it for you?
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.......were you capable of picking out your own toilet before the Liberal Nanny State starting doing that for you?
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We were also capable of having lead in our gasoline at one time, but for the common good, the government outlawed that.
 
We were also capable of having lead in our gasoline at one time, but for the common good, the government outlawed that.

Outlawing lead gasoline.....inlawing bulbs filled with Mercury......we could never have done it on our own.......
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These Republicans who want to empower the Kochs of the world cite Constitutionality of the new law. However, since the Commerce Clause gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities among the states, this law is indeed Constitutional.
Wow. Totalitarianism rears its ugly head once again. So the commerce clause supersedes the rest of the Constitution? Awesome. Simply awesome.

We have got to return to a constitutionally limited government. It may already be too late. If it is a revolution will be needed to right this wrong. Light bulbs and flush toilets. Who ever would have thought the Federal government wanted this kind of power over its citizens? But there it is. And you are a useful idiot, if I might use Lenin's phrase. You know nothing but believe you are wise. You are eager to wear the chains the government has manufactured for you, believing they make an intellectual statement about you. And in fact, they actually do.

Count me as against the Federal Government doing anything that is not in support of an enumerated power.
 
Considering that the new bulbs last much longer than the old ones, and use much less electricity on top of it, consumers are actually saving money. the savings for consumers is estimated to be about 81 billion dollars.
And the one term Marxist president's takeover of the healthcare industry is revenue neutral, will provide free medical care to an additional 38 million people and lower our costs. Uh-huh.
 
And the one term Marxist president's takeover of the healthcare industry is revenue neutral, will provide free medical care to an additional 38 million people and lower our costs. Uh-huh.

And you are a useful idiot, if I might use Lenin's phrase.

By all means, every problem in this country can be laid at the feet of just one man. When will people begin to realize, if ever, that the problem is government as a whole and stop screeching that 'their guy' is the only one with all the answers.

This is why I am a political agnostic. In it's current form I doubt that it will ever work properly.
 
Oh really?
In 2010 Wind power accounted for 2.3% of the electricity generated in the United States.[3] This amounted to 94,650 thousand megawatt-hours of electricity.[4]
Very interesting. So after the Feds force it on the states and pour money into it for a couple of years it is up to 2%. I wonder how much it costs each federal taxpayer?
Would the market chose this path given the freedom to choose?
If we want abundant, inexpensive, locally available energy why aren't we building hundreds more nuclear power plants? They take up less space. They look great in your back yard. They take relatively few people to operate them.
 
And you are a useful idiot, if I might use Lenin's phrase.

By all means, every problem in this country can be laid at the feet of just one man. When will people begin to realize, if ever, that the problem is government as a whole and stop screeching that 'their guy' is the only one with all the answers.

This is why I am a political agnostic. In it's current form I doubt that it will ever work properly.
This was not about the one term Marxist president. It was about a claim of 81 billion dollars in savings. We are lied to by our federal government every day. And some of us never catch on.
 
If I want to dump sulfur into your yard that's what I want to do. You want to not dump sulfur into other people's yards, that's fine, but I'm going to go ahead and dump sulfur into your yard.

At least get the analogy right - it should read: "If YOU want to dump sulfur in your yard". YOU = me and my own property in this case. YOU = YOU doing it in my yard would constitute illegal dumping and at least a misdemeanor. However, even if you got the analogy correct, your analogy still sucks. Care to try again?
 
Seems that President Bush was all for it too. He signed it into law.

Don't care if it was the almighty conservative on the mount ...government needs to keep the **** out of my freedom of choice.
 
Don't care if it was the almighty conservative on the mount ...government needs to keep the **** out of my freedom of choice.

At least you are consistent, which is why I respect you, even if I don't agree with you.
 
Outlawing lead gasoline.....inlawing bulbs filled with Mercury......we could never have done it on our own.......

Bad example. Leaded gasoline in normal operations produces serious pollution. Clearly you've never been to China. CFLs in normal operation leak no mercury. Try again.
 
Bad example. Leaded gasoline in normal operations produces serious pollution. Clearly you've never been to China. CFLs in normal operation leak no mercury. Try again.

....as long as 300 million Americans never break one of the billion bulbs.....and as long as every one of the billion bulbs makes it safely to a recycling center.
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....as long as 300 million Americans never break one of the billion bulbs.....and as long as every one of the billion bulbs makes it safely to a recycling center.

Since when did breaking bulb = normal operations? Leaded gasoline emits significent pollution by design in designed operation. How does accidently breaking a bulb equate to designed operation?

Less fail in your reply please.
 
Since when did breaking bulb = normal operations? Leaded gasoline emits significent pollution by design in designed operation. How does accidently breaking a bulb equate to designed operation?

Less fail in your reply please.

Give me a guesstimate on how many EVIL incandescent light bulbs you have broken over your lifetime?

Now times that by 300 million.......

Factor in the number of HOLY CFL bulbs that will no doubtedly make there way into landfills.......

.........Houston....we have a mercury problem........
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Give me a guesstimate on how many EVIL incandescent light bulbs you have broken over your lifetime?

Where I broke the actual glass? About two. But that was after the filament was totally shot and I crushed deliberately it to make space in the garbage.

Now times that by 300 million.......

Factor in the number of HOLY CFL bulbs that will no doubtedly make there way into landfills.......

.........Houston....we have a mercury problem........

Actually it's mercury in the air.

You still haven't shown how operating leaded gasoline is the same as breaking CFL bulbs. I suspect you won't because your argument is crap.
 
Where I broke the actual glass? About two. But that was after the filament was totally shot and I crushed deliberately it to make space in the garbage.

Well your either very young or extremely careful for a liberal...........

But even so..... lets say 600 million mercury bulbs broken.......does it cause you concern yet?


Actually it's mercury in the air.

You still haven't shown how operating leaded gasoline is the same as breaking CFL bulbs. I suspect you won't because your argument is crap.

That was your comparison and contention........
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Where are all these bulbs made?
 
The House rears it's bat**** crazy head again. Who is for more efficient light bulbs? Consumers, and yes, even the light bulb manufacturers. Who is against it? Energy companies who want to charge you for using more electricity, and who have House Republicans in their back pocket. But did we ever think they didn't?

These Republicans who want to empower the Kochs of the world cite Constitutionality of the new law. However, since the Commerce Clause gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities among the states, this law is indeed Constitutional. Not only that, but will save consumers 81 billion dollars a year, which is money that won't be going into the pockets of energy companies. No wonder Republicans hate this law.

I predict that this bill will die in the Senate, and deservedly so.

Article is here.

I don't know about the energy companies part. In my area, energy companies have given out free CFL lightbulbs. I just got 4 in the mail.
 
I don't know about the energy companies part. In my area, energy companies have given out free CFL lightbulbs. I just got 4 in the mail.

You may want to take a closer look at your electric bill........and see how "Free" those bulbs really were.......
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Where are all these bulbs made?

CFLs are made in stinin'-ass China with plans to start mass production for the US market in US in 2012. However they do save you money in the long run, want to go better though? Get American made LEDs, most LED lights are sold in America. While at $30-50 they are pricey, they last 50,000 hours (30 years) compared to the 1000 hours a CFL last, use less than a 1/4 of the power of a CFL, and according to studies, pay for themselves after 3 years of use. Also, these bulbs aren't nearly as bad on the environment, and are much much harder to break than a CFL or regular light bulb.
 
You may want to take a closer look at your electric bill........and see how "Free" those bulbs really were.......
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Yeah I did. I got a thing in the mail, it said "send this voucher, get 4 bulbs, 4 weeks later I got those bulbs, nothing else on my electric bill?
 
Yeah I did. I got a thing in the mail, it said "send this voucher, get 4 bulbs, 4 weeks later I got those bulbs, nothing else on my electric bill?

There is a charge in there somewhere..........as I highly doubt your energy supplier just decided to eat the cost of ______ thousand CFL light bulbs.

Power Company Customers Charged for Light Bulbs

Power Company Customers Charged for Light Bulbs

As part of a campaign to alert Maryland residents to the state’s rising energy consumption and limited transmission capabilities, Greensburg, Pa.-based Allegheny Power recently mailed two compact fluorescent light bulbs to each of its customers, for which the firm is charging 99 cents a month for a year. This has angered many of the power company’s customers and sparked legislative action by Delegate Kevin Kelly. Kelly recently found out he was being charged $11.52 for the energy-efficient bulbs. The fee was hidden as a surcharge to his monthly bill, says Kelly. Power company spokesperson Todd Meyers said that the company chose to mail the bulbs because customers had been slow to adopt new energy-saving technology. According to Meyers, Allgheny Power made no profit on the bulbs, charging what it cost to buy and mail them.

No extra effort was made to inform customers that they would be paying for the bulbs, says Meyers, but information about the surcharge was available in filings with the Public Service Commission (PSC). Kelly said he believes the majority of area residents are under the impression they received two free light bulbs

Here in The Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica.......We The People are too dumb to pick out our own lightbulbs.......and too lazy to actually go out and buy them........liberal nanny state scientists report.
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Very interesting. So after the Feds force it on the states and pour money into it for a couple of years it is up to 2%. I wonder how much it costs each federal taxpayer?
Would the market chose this path given the freedom to choose?
If we want abundant, inexpensive, locally available energy why aren't we building hundreds more nuclear power plants? They take up less space. They look great in your back yard. They take relatively few people to operate them.

Yeah, what a great idea...

Federal regulators have been working closely with the nuclear power industry to keep the nation's aging reactors operating within safety standards by repeatedly weakening those standards or simply failing to enforce them, an investigation by The Associated Press has found.

Time after time, officials at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission have decided that original regulations were too strict, arguing that safety margins could be eased without peril, according to records and interviews.

The result? Rising fears that these accommodations by the NRC are significantly undermining safety — and inching the reactors closer to an accident that could harm the public and jeopardize the future of nuclear power in the United States.

Examples abound. When valves leaked, more leakage was allowed — up to 20 times the original limit. When rampant cracking caused radioactive leaks from steam generator tubing, an easier test of the tubes was devised, so plants could meet standards.

Failed cables. Busted seals. Broken nozzles, clogged screens, cracked concrete, dented containers, corroded metals and rusty underground pipes — all of these and thousands of other problems linked to aging were uncovered in the AP's year-long investigation. And all of them could escalate dangers in the event of an accident.

Yet despite the many problems linked to aging, not a single official body in government or industry has studied the overall frequency and potential impact on safety of such breakdowns in recent years, even as the NRC has extended the licenses of dozens of reactors.
U.S. weakened nuclear safety rules to keep reactors going, study finds - The Denver Post
 
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