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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    You may want to take a closer look at your electric bill........and see how "Free" those bulbs really were.......
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    Yeah I did. I got a thing in the mail, it said "send this voucher, get 4 bulbs, 4 weeks later I got those bulbs, nothing else on my electric bill?
    "Were going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where are all these bulbs made?
    I guess we should grab our "Shipping Jobs Overseas" signs......
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I hear that scientists are working on that one.
    I'll certainly rethink my position, once I try them out of course.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Yeah I did. I got a thing in the mail, it said "send this voucher, get 4 bulbs, 4 weeks later I got those bulbs, nothing else on my electric bill?
    There is a charge in there somewhere..........as I highly doubt your energy supplier just decided to eat the cost of ______ thousand CFL light bulbs.

    Power Company Customers Charged for Light Bulbs

    Power Company Customers Charged for Light Bulbs

    As part of a campaign to alert Maryland residents to the state’s rising energy consumption and limited transmission capabilities, Greensburg, Pa.-based Allegheny Power recently mailed two compact fluorescent light bulbs to each of its customers, for which the firm is charging 99 cents a month for a year. This has angered many of the power company’s customers and sparked legislative action by Delegate Kevin Kelly. Kelly recently found out he was being charged $11.52 for the energy-efficient bulbs. The fee was hidden as a surcharge to his monthly bill, says Kelly. Power company spokesperson Todd Meyers said that the company chose to mail the bulbs because customers had been slow to adopt new energy-saving technology. According to Meyers, Allgheny Power made no profit on the bulbs, charging what it cost to buy and mail them.

    No extra effort was made to inform customers that they would be paying for the bulbs, says Meyers, but information about the surcharge was available in filings with the Public Service Commission (PSC). Kelly said he believes the majority of area residents are under the impression they received two free light bulbs
    Here in The Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica.......We The People are too dumb to pick out our own lightbulbs.......and too lazy to actually go out and buy them........liberal nanny state scientists report.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Very interesting. So after the Feds force it on the states and pour money into it for a couple of years it is up to 2%. I wonder how much it costs each federal taxpayer?
    Would the market chose this path given the freedom to choose?
    If we want abundant, inexpensive, locally available energy why aren't we building hundreds more nuclear power plants? They take up less space. They look great in your back yard. They take relatively few people to operate them.
    Yeah, what a great idea...

    Federal regulators have been working closely with the nuclear power industry to keep the nation's aging reactors operating within safety standards by repeatedly weakening those standards or simply failing to enforce them, an investigation by The Associated Press has found.

    Time after time, officials at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission have decided that original regulations were too strict, arguing that safety margins could be eased without peril, according to records and interviews.

    The result? Rising fears that these accommodations by the NRC are significantly undermining safety and inching the reactors closer to an accident that could harm the public and jeopardize the future of nuclear power in the United States.

    Examples abound. When valves leaked, more leakage was allowed up to 20 times the original limit. When rampant cracking caused radioactive leaks from steam generator tubing, an easier test of the tubes was devised, so plants could meet standards.

    Failed cables. Busted seals. Broken nozzles, clogged screens, cracked concrete, dented containers, corroded metals and rusty underground pipes all of these and thousands of other problems linked to aging were uncovered in the AP's year-long investigation. And all of them could escalate dangers in the event of an accident.

    Yet despite the many problems linked to aging, not a single official body in government or industry has studied the overall frequency and potential impact on safety of such breakdowns in recent years, even as the NRC has extended the licenses of dozens of reactors.
    U.S. weakened nuclear safety rules to keep reactors going, study finds - The Denver Post

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where are all these bulbs made?
    Myth #3: The U.S. will lose manufacturing jobs.
    New jobs are being created. Lighting standards are driving innovation in the United States and creating manufacturing jobs when we most need them.
     Sylvania has retooled a plant in Pennsylvania to make the new, efficient incandescents.  Philips in California, Cree in North Carolina, and Lighting Science Group in Florida are creating jobs to produce LEDs and components.  Though GE did close a plant in Virginia last year, it also announced a $60 million expansion of a linear fluorescent lighting factory in Ohio.  TCP is planning to build a new factory in Ohio to meet the increased demand for CFLs.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    ....as long as 300 million Americans never break one of the billion bulbs.....and as long as every one of the billion bulbs makes it safely to a recycling center.
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    Myth #4: Mercury levels will increase with CFLs.
    Overall mercury levels will decrease. Using more energy with less efficient products means more mercury enters our environment because energy production from coal (51%) is the main emitter of mercury in the U.S. The more energy you use, the more mercury that enters our environment. Even though CFLs contain small amounts of mercury, you actually prevent more mercury through the energy savings by using CFLs. Even if you dont consider the mercury benefits from reduced energy use, CFLs are still just a tiny fraction of human‐caused mercury emissions about 0.1%.
    EPA recommends recycling CFLs where its available. Major retailers such as Home Depot and Lowe's recycle CFLs for free. More information on mercury and CFLs can be found at epa.gov/cfl.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You should read carefully before making ignorant statements. This was signed into law by the Bush administration.
    Yes, I know who signed it into law. I was pushed through the Dem controlled House and Senate first. Or do you think Bush made this law up on his own?

    Does it make it a Conservative Position because a Republican Signs it?

    Bush signed the NCLB act, he signed the McCain Feigngold act too.

    What, when you need him to be a Conservative for cover suddenly bush is your standard barer?
    Last edited by Renae; 07-11-11 at 04:01 AM.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well your either very young or extremely careful for a liberal.
    If I'm a liberal, so is Gringrich. Navypride got hammered when he made that asinine comment, Opportunitycost realized the mistake he was making when he accused me of being a liberal. You going down the stupid path?

    And no, you don't have to be careful, just not clumsy.

    But even so..... lets say 600 million mercury bulbs broken.......does it cause you concern yet?
    Considering the necessary impact to actually break a CLF is massively different from the thin glass on a regular bulb, your comparison is wrong.

    That was your comparison and contention
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    Only if you are extremely dishonest and have to lie about what others say to have any hope of an argument, so no. It was not my comparison nor contention and you are once again lying your ass off
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If I'm a liberal, so is Gringrich. Navypride got hammered when he made that asinine comment, Opportunitycost realized the mistake he was making when he accused me of being a liberal. You going down the stupid path?

    And no, you don't have to be careful, just not clumsy.



    Considering the necessary impact to actually break a CLF is massively different from the thin glass on a regular bulb, your comparison is wrong.



    Only if you are extremely dishonest and have to lie about what others say to have any hope of an argument, so no. It was not my comparison nor contention and you are once again lying your ass off
    Watch out badmutha, whenever someone disagrees with oC, they HAVE to be lying.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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