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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Accepted. You cannot show a single instance of a Club of Rome prediction being accurate. They predicted we would run out of many, not one, not two, but many resources. They were wrong. They always are.
    Back to your Club of Rome conspiracy theory again? Conspiracy forum is third hall down, and take hard right.

    Just facts ma'am! And the facts are there has not been a single year, since 1971 our production could keep up with demand. You have yet to show a single year that were actually able to do that, have you?


    Only because that is what actually happens in real life.
    Then why are we allowing the price of oil to cripple our economy? Where is your magic replacement???


    I have suggested no conspiracy, unless you believe that all of politics is conspiracy. Hmm. That is not a bad thought over all.
    You weren't the one that said it was because of government regulations that we are not once again magically oil independent?


    Yeah, I know, we are still relatively more free to live our lives than other tyrannical regimes. Got it. Understood. The Democrats are trying to "fix" that.


    You really don't get it do you? You can be free or you can be a slave to the state. You are choosing tyranny over freedom. As I ponder tht I think it is actually pretty sad on the one hand and frightening on the other. How did we become a nation of sheep?
    Great you are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful! The new conservatism! Congratulations!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Right wing pundits and blogs.
    I have yet to see anyone that tells someone they do not believe in science support such a claim.


    What?
    Democracy is and always been minority follows the wishes and desires of the majority. What people portray it as is a society that respects the rights and liberties of all people while representing the people will. However, to do that you can't follow the will of the majority as the their will usually runs in opposition to the rights and liberties of all people. Therefore, these people will usually use this power they have been given over those people for their own benefit or a idea that a liberty is harmful to the great good of the whole. In truth a republic is a society that respects the rights and liberties of all people, while a democracy on the other hand is just a society that respects the desires of the people that have the most power.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then why are we allowing the price of oil to cripple our economy? Where is your magic replacement???
    Why are we allowing arguments it is the oil companies fault to have real feet in political and economic debate is a better question.


    Great you are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful! The new conservatism! Congratulations!!!!!!!!
    We are free to be fat, lazy and wasteful. Telling people that is bad to be wasteful because of society as a whole is of course ignoring that it does not violate your rights in the process. Its also ignoring that the wasteful nature of society generally has effects on market place as a whole in time and considering that movements would occur away from those actions as the resources become hard to come by being pushed on business by the consumers and the supply in the ground its not even understandable to restrict liberty to ensure natural resources. The only argument you could come by is to ensure the market can function as desired as quickly as possible.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?
    It's very simple........

    Bush inherited a minor recession, but the major issue was the worse attack on American soil in our history. The attack crippled the financial and travel industry in the country, not to mention killing almost 3,000 innocent people.

    It was immediately followed by the necessary attack on Afghanistan to root out the Taliban.

    Then we had the worst natural disaster in modern American history, Hurricane Katrina. This cost hundreds of millions of dollars more.

    Bush spent a lot of money foolishly, just like every president though.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It's very simple........

    Bush inherited a minor recession, but the major issue was the worse attack on American soil in our history. The attack crippled the financial and travel industry in the country, not to mention killing almost 3,000 innocent people.

    It was immediately followed by the necessary attack on Afghanistan to root out the Taliban.

    Then we had the worst natural disaster in modern American history, Hurricane Katrina. This cost hundreds of millions of dollars more.

    Bush spent a lot of money foolishly, just like every president though.
    I won't quibble with that, but you somehow forgot to mention that Bush also inherited a nearly balanced budget. 911 was both a blessing and a curse for Bush. It did stunt the economy, but it also rallied the American people behind their President, sending his previously low approval ratings into the stratosphere. That, together with a Republican-controlled Congress, gave him a huge mandate to do whatever he wanted to do. And the result was an epic fail.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I won't quibble with that, but you somehow forgot to mention that Bush also inherited a nearly balanced budget. 911 was both a blessing and a curse for Bush. It did stunt the economy, but it also rallied the American people behind their President, sending his previously low approval ratings into the stratosphere. That, together with a Republican-controlled Congress, gave him a huge mandate to do whatever he wanted to do. And the result was an epic fail.

    Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Well thank GOD that 3000 people died to give Bush a mandate....This is absolutely pathetic.
    Since the need for a 'Pearl Harbor type event' was cited by a think tank featuring signatories such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby -- over a year before 9/11 -- as necessary to convince the public that our military should be used to dominate the world, you might want to thank them instead.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Since the need for a 'Pearl Harbor type event' was cited by a think tank featuring signatories such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby -- over a year before 9/11 -- as necessary to convince the public that our military should be used to dominate the world, you might want to thank them instead.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Since the need for a 'Pearl Harbor type event' was cited by a think tank featuring signatories such as Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby -- over a year before 9/11 -- as necessary to convince the public that our military should be used to dominate the world, you might want to thank them instead.
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