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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Are you really Bman Mcfly??? That's his shtick. Blame everything on a worldwide conspiracy dating back decades and the solution is magic. LOL!!!

    I thought conservatives were supposed to be all about personal responsibility???
    conservatives take credit when things go well, but when things go wrong, they are all about blaming the liberals, the progressives, the socialists, the dreaded communists ( who have never attacked us )......
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    conservatives take credit when things go well, but when things go wrong, they are all about blaming the liberals, the progressives, the socialists, the dreaded communists ( who have never attacked us )......
    Yeah, liberals never blame people like ex-President Bush for anything, right?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    I am convinced that chaos is coming. There will be oil shortages, food shortages and possibly worse coming. I will be prepared. When the time comes I will (briefly) wonder what happened to you.
    The time to prepare was 30 years ago, you are a little late. That's why I have become more energy independent over the last 30 years. To bad the more people didn't listen to Carter, eh?
    I suspect Mr.V is referring to ammunition, cans of beans, and non-hybrid seeds

    Since the cold war nuclear holocaust didn't pan out for them, the 'preppers' have been reinvigorated by the current financial crisis and are restocking the bunkers.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Yeah, liberals never blame people like ex-President Bush for anything, right?
    even conservatives blame Bush.....the smart ones, anyway....
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    even conservatives blame Bush.....the smart ones, anyway....
    Have to agree there..........he spent almost as much money in his 8 years as Obama spent in his first 3.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Have to agree there..........he spent almost as much money in his 8 years as Obama spent in his first 3.
    so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    so you agree that both spend too much......but Obama inherited a mess from Bush....right? what did Bush inherit? and what did he do with it?
    The financial mess was caused by Congress and those who should not have attempted to do what Congress wanted. That is what Obama inherited along with two wars. What did Bush inherit? He inherited a history of not having the Federal Government (Republican and Democrat) take on Islamic extremism even after some of our sailors were killed on the Cole and having two embassies bombed. And, he inherited a cease fire agreement that was not being followed by one of the parties. That is what each inherited. Both Bush and Obama have done poor jobs of managing the government and both spent far too much of our hard-earned tax dollars and we should have cut expenses while taking on our enemies.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you really Bman Mcfly??? That's his shtick. Blame everything on a worldwide conspiracy dating back decades and the solution is magic. LOL!!!

    I thought conservatives were supposed to be all about personal responsibility???
    So you cannot show me any instances of resources running out?

    I can discuss one. A few hundred years ago (1600s) London ran out of wood for its glass and cannon manufacture. The wood was replaced by coal. New coal-fired ovens were created and life went on. If you want to read more you can find a good account in chapter 6, Fuel to the Flame, in James Burke's book, "Connections".

    Why do you think it is a conspiracy?

    And I did not understand your comment about personal responsibility. Would you please explain it to me?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So you cannot show me any instances of resources running out?
    Its not about running out to the last drop, its about demand exceeding supply. We passed that point with oil in the US in 1971. If you doubt it, show me a single year since 1971 when we produced more oil than we consumed.

    I can discuss one. A few hundred years ago (1600s) London ran out of wood for its glass and cannon manufacture. The wood was replaced by coal. New coal-fired ovens were created and life went on. If you want to read more you can find a good account in chapter 6, Fuel to the Flame, in James Burke's book, "Connections".
    So your opinion is that if man uses up a natural resource faster than it can be exploited, another will always be around to take its place? That's your plan???


    Why do you think it is a conspiracy?
    You are the one that suggested that both parties have conspired over the last 30 years to keep production below demand, not me.

    And I did not understand your comment about personal responsibility. Would you please explain it to me?
    The US lags behind other countries in efficiency. In other words, we are more wasteful of the worlds resources.

    An excellent example is the resistance by those who deny their responsibility to be better stewards of our resources by the simple act of using a more efficient light bulb, even with the added bonus of cost savings over the life of the bulb in reduced energy cost.

    Many so called conservatives seem to forget that conservative is a root form of conservation. For many conservatives today however, personal greed seems a higher priority than personal responsibility to conserve our natural resources.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not about running out to the last drop, its about demand exceeding supply. We passed that point with oil in the US in 1971. If you doubt it, show me a single year since 1971 when we produced more oil than we consumed.
    Accepted. You cannot show a single instance of a Club of Rome prediction being accurate. They predicted we would run out of many, not one, not two, but many resources. They were wrong. They always are.


    So your opinion is that if man uses up a natural resource faster than it can be exploited, another will always be around to take its place? That's your plan???
    Only because that is what actually happens in real life.

    You are the one that suggested that both parties have conspired over the last 30 years to keep production below demand, not me.
    I have suggested no conspiracy, unless you believe that all of politics is conspiracy. Hmm. That is not a bad thought over all.

    The US lags behind other countries in efficiency. In other words, we are more wasteful of the worlds resources.
    Yeah, I know, we are still relatively more free to live our lives than other tyrannical regimes. Got it. Understood. The Democrats are trying to "fix" that.

    An excellent example is the resistance by those who deny their responsibility to be better stewards of our resources by the simple act of using a more efficient light bulb, even with the added bonus of cost savings over the life of the bulb in reduced energy cost.

    Many so called conservatives seem to forget that conservative is a root form of conservation. For many conservatives today however, personal greed seems a higher priority than personal responsibility to conserve our natural resources.
    You really don't get it do you? You can be free or you can be a slave to the state. You are choosing tyranny over freedom. As I ponder tht I think it is actually pretty sad on the one hand and frightening on the other. How did we become a nation of sheep?

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