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Thread: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And they are certainly being welcomed elsewhere. At one time the US would compete for companies and businesses. Now they discourage them, thinking perhaps there is a "Third Way". Or perhaps a fourth. Who really knows anymore?
    The "Third Way" has come up a few times. I assume that is a reference to Hayek.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Considering that the new bulbs last much longer than the old ones, and use much less electricity on top of it, consumers are actually saving money. the savings for consumers is estimated to be about 81 billion dollars.
    Anyone familiar with these bubs knows the claims are untrue.

    The government does not save anyone money. It just doesn't happen. Instead you should be asking yourself who benefits from these laws and then follow the money.

    I cant believe how people continue to fall for these scams.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    [...] There is no reason to become hysterical over light bulbs.
    I would agree, but it seems that there is no reasoning with hysterical conservatives.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Why do you continue to practice the Obamaism of hyperbolic liberal rhetoric? No one here wants America to become a Somalia [...]
    Sure they do... by wanting a Somalian-style government (minimalist to the point of barely existing). Somalia is a libertarian paradise. Well... in theory

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Sure they do... by wanting a Somalian-style government (minimalist to the point of barely existing). Somalia is a libertarian paradise. Well... in theory
    This is pure and utter nonsense. You have bought into the lie.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    This is pure and utter nonsense. You have bought into the lie.
    I think not. Best I can tell, libertarians want a pre-Civil War America. A pre-Marbury (1803) America, in fact. As do the imperialist conservatives who now falsely label themselves as libertarians (ashamed, I suppose by the Bush administration social liberalism).

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I think not. Best I can tell, libertarians want a pre-Civil War America. A pre-Marbury (1803) America, in fact. As do the imperialist conservatives who now falsely label themselves as libertarians (ashamed, I suppose by the Bush administration social liberalism).
    the "best you can tell" isn't very good at all... but please, do continue believing any myth you want to

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the "best you can tell" isn't very good at all... but please, do continue believing any myth you want to
    You're welcome to find particular fault in my estimation, which could then be discussed. Of course, you and others are also welcome to continue to snipe, but I don't think that will illustrate whatever libertarian positions you all are trying (not really) to defend.

    Since this appears to be a libertarian thread (gov't rules on light bulbs) I can't see where a discussion on libertarian visions of the country would be off topic (especially since 69 pages of light bulbs has probably covered that particular aspect of libertarianism).

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You're welcome to find particular fault in my estimation, which could then be discussed. Of course, you and others are also welcome to continue to snipe, but I don't think that will illustrate whatever libertarian positions you all are trying (not really) to defend.

    Since this appears to be a libertarian thread (gov't rules on light bulbs) I can't see where a discussion on libertarian visions of the country would be off topic (especially since 69 pages of light bulbs has probably covered that particular aspect of libertarianism).
    I do find fault with you position on libertarians...primarily because your entire position is false.
    libertarians do not want somalia or pre-civil war US.. but whatever, it's not like you can or will change your tune on the matter...

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I do find fault with you position on libertarians...primarily because your entire position is false.
    libertarians do not want somalia or pre-civil war US.. but whatever, it's not like you can or will change your tune on the matter...
    So, sniping in lieu of discussion it is. Fine, we're done

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