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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Obviously, it requires the ability to understand science and sustainability.
    No, it doesn't.
    Yes, because without government intervention, we would still have rivers that catch fire and bigger holes in the ozone layer.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You'll note, the ban has been rescinded.
    Yet the Department of Energy, which doesn't produce any energy whatsoever, feels they can tell the American consumer which light bulbs they can use. Many f=ind that acceptable and the debate rages on for 66 pages on these boards.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yet the Department of Energy, which doesn't produce any energy whatsoever, feels they can tell the American consumer which light bulbs they can use. Many f=ind that acceptable and the debate rages on for 66 pages on these boards.
    Funny aint it? Some believe that the government should tell people what to wear each day and what means are acceptable to get to work each day. Whatever.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Funny aint it? Some believe that the government should tell people what to wear each day and what means are acceptable to get to work each day. Whatever.
    And whether they can grow vegetables in their front yard, serve free coffee to their regular customers or whether a little girl can sell lemonade from her front yard. Some people like all these regulations, but the America that was will be just a memory for those who knew it when.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And whether they can grow vegetables in their front yard, serve free coffee to their regular customers or whether a little girl can sell lemonade from her front yard. Some people like all these regulations, but the America that was will be just a memory for those who knew it when.
    All of these thigs can still be freely done in the vast majority of the country. I can pick examples in Canada also but I really have no axe to grind here.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    All of these thigs can still be freely done in the vast majority of the country. I can pick examples in Canada also but I really have no axe to grind here.
    Of course we have the same problems of bureaucracies having too much power, as does every country, but we should fight back whenever we can and not support the buggers. Otherwise it will continue until there is a serious revolution. It's always this way..

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yet the Department of Energy, which doesn't produce any energy whatsoever, feels they can tell the American consumer which light bulbs they can use. Many f=ind that acceptable and the debate rages on for 66 pages on these boards.
    Really? The Dept of Energy produces no energy at all?

    I beg to differ. I know for a fact that the Dept of Energy produces some energy. I helped them do it for about 6 months. The energy isn't available to the public, and is basically being produced for research purposes, but they are making energy.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's absolutely germane to what you are saying.

    You're suggesting that this present government cares for "future generations", your words, when they are going to be stuck with trillions of dollars in debt and unsustainable obligations.. It could be argued that this is the first American generation to sell out the future of their children, and I won't even bother raising the abortion issue.

    Light bulbs?? Could there be a less serious debate?

    What's happened to those great American people?
    It isn't that I don't agree with you about that the debt/spending issues isn't a serious problem, it is. Also I am pretty well against the government interfering in our personal lives (just check the links in my sig to my blog if you don't believe me) but the federal government exists to address issues that can't be resolved at a local level and/or of national importance. The environment is a shared good and it is definitely the federal govs duty to protect that resource.

    I still disagree that the debt debate is germane to the conversation. So many people are mad about our nation's economic woes that they are broadly denouncing the government as wholly bad; it isn't. I agree that our government is too big, but there are some things you need a government for.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    I agree that our government is too big, but there are some things you need a government for.
    Yes, there are, but telling us what kind of light bulbs we may use is certainly not one of them.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Yes, there are, but telling us what kind of light bulbs we may use is certainly not one of them.
    And why not? There are lots of reasons light bulbs fall into the public/government realm.

    The amount of energy we consume dictates how much pollution we make which affects the environment negatively and the environment is a public good.

    The amount of pollution is also a matter of public health, something that the gov has established is within it's domain. Arguing from the perspective of infectious disease, hazardous materials, etc. end of the public health; not the ludicrous health care bill.

    The amount of energy we consume dictates how much energy we need to get from foreign sources, making the issue of light bulbs a matter of national security for a number of reasons.

    The light bulb debate is definitely in the public sector and less of a matter of personal freedom.
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