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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It took an act of congress to mandate cleaner burning cars, which led to better performance, more power, better mileage, etc. Sometimes industry has to be told what to do by govt, sometimes the public has to be told....
    And you are okay with the deaths of all of those people in their egg cars that would have lived had their Congress not put them into inferior cars?

    "Sometimes the public has to be told." Yours is the heart of a tyrant.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So then you would favor repealing all criminal and civil laws? According to your logic that vast body of law represents totalitarian dictatorship.
    You obviously don't know the difference between policy and politics, nor the difference between freedom and the consequences of law. Really - is this the best little partisan trap you could think up?

    So let me answer your moronic question: Some laws I would be in favor of repealing, both civil and criminal. However, there's a difference between laws applied to all and carried out by a body for the betterment of society, and a single totalitarian view, by one person, applied by fiat with no appeal or process of policy. But you already knew that... or maybe you didn't.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So, you have nothing to refute scientists measurements of the sun during this warming period I see.
    Time is on my side. Some of the scientists are liars and frauds. The man-caused global warming hoax just cannot stay out of the news.

    No problem. There is some science, after all, in that arcane mix of Mother Earth and science with a small "s". Who knows what will eventually come of it.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your freedom does not include adverse effect on the health of others.
    In fact it does. If you can prove that my actions are causing you harm then you can bring me into a court and the court may side with you and make me pay.

    Anything else is tyranny. But then, you already know that. You too, have the heart of a tyrant.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, if everyone had done voluntarily what I did, there would be no need now to force people to act responsibly.
    See what I mean? You have the heart of a tyrant.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In fact it does. If you can prove that my actions are causing you harm then you can bring me into a court and the court may side with you and make me pay.
    Historically, citizens have never had much luck fighting big corporations in court, that is why we created the EPA.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Personally, I prefer being informed rather than bliss from ignorance.



    First some background on the new efficiency standards that were begun under the Reagan Administration:

    "There is no looming ban or phase out of incandescent bulbs. The entire hullabaloo is based on a fictitious claim manufactured by Barton.

    All major lighting manufacturers, including Philips, Sylvania and GE, currently produce and sell incandescent light bulbs that meet or exceed the new standards (with no compromise in functionality). In fact, the lighting industry helped craft the 2007 legislation with the full understanding that they could produce incandescent bulbs that meet them."

    "Legislation establishing common-sense efficiency standards for energy-using equipment has traditionally enjoyed overwhelming support from conservatives. The first such legislation was signed into law 25 years ago by President Ronald Reagan. Thanks to the legislation enacted by Reagan and similar laws signed by his successors, Americans are saving billions of dollars on their utility bills."
    There is No Light Bulb “Ban” | FrumForum


    "One common misconception about this legislation is that it outlaws incandescent bulbs. In fact it
    sets specification performance thresholds for general service incandescent lamps, a distinction
    that excludes many incandescent lighting products such as traffic signal bulbs, reflector bulbs, 3-
    way bulbs, and numerous others. It does set the following efficiency standards for lamps that
    meet the “general service incandescent” definition, which applies only to lamps that range from
    310 Watts to 2600 Watts."

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    damn, good thing my favorite desk lamp is only
    300 watts....
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why that is an excellent reason for 80,000 plus regulations, two and a half million busybody bureaucrats and a host of other very bad results from our flirtation with statism and socialism.

    When you are free you can take those and any other externality into consideration as you decide to pass by the two dollar bulb and reach for the mercury-laden ten dollar one that the busybody bureaucrats have chosen for you. I choose freedom. Government always makes things worse.
    mercury laden? how much mercury vapor is in a standard 100w (equivalent) CFL? You would have to break a few thousand and purposely inhale to get hurt...
    BTW, got smoke detectors in your home? read up on what is in THEM....
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    damn, good thing my favorite desk lamp is only
    300 watts....
    LOL! It was a typo.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    See what I mean? You have the heart of a tyrant.
    Unleaded gas is the real tyranny i tell ya!

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