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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You rest your case? ROFLMAO!

    Now, what have I said? Have I said that I am the arbiter of constitutionality? Nope. You made that wild claim.

    You say that you believe that public pressure should be brought to bear on issues where the public differs from the Court. Doesn't that mean that people need to get together and agree to take on such a project? How does an individual do that; unless, he has cause to challenge a decision? Well, he might try to persuade others to agree with him. What have I been doing here? I have attempted to have you see if I could get you to agree with me? That's all I have done here. I have made no claim about being an arbiter. I have not said that the Supreme Court cannot interpret the Constitution. I have not said that they must be challenged by having the Court overrule itself or amend the Constitution.

    Your favorite exercise is jumping to false conclusions. Stop it!!

    Now, care to address my points below?

    First, I have never said that I was.

    Second, why would you make such a claim?

    Third, is it not beneficial for Americans to know what is in the Constitution and understand what it means?

    Fourth, are Americans just supposed to say that the Courts know what they are doing and we are not to know anything about the Constitution or law and should not have any thoughts about what is right and wrong on a constitutional basis?

    Fifth, has history ever shown that blindly following a government could lead to tyrannical rule and enslavement of people?

    Sixth, if the Courts tomorrow said that slavery was once again the law of the land or that you could no longer say anything negative about the President or Congress, would you not argue against these decisions? - This one is now in red as you have actually addressed it and you agree that the Courts can get things wrong and that you would argue against a decision where you disagreed. One out of 6 is better than it was.

    Best of luck to you in your legal challenge of the 2007 energy efficiency standards!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Time is on my side. The mix of science and religion is falling apart. You carry on too.
    So, you have nothing to refute scientists measurements of the sun during this warming period I see.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Let's just cut to the chase. Some people are ill suited to live free.
    Your freedom does not include adverse effect on the health of others.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    LOL. Awesome. I am glad you were free to make those choices for yourself.
    Yep, if everyone had done voluntarily what I did, there would be no need now to force people to act responsibly.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, if everyone had done voluntarily what I did, there would be no need now to force people to act responsibly.
    Freedom means the ability to act irresponsibly ... forcing people to act responsibly according to one persons view of what is or is not responsible requires fear and a totalitarian dictatorship. Finally came out of the closet huh?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your freedom does not include adverse effect on the health of others.



    Oh that was funny!
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Freedom means the ability to act irresponsibly ... forcing people to act responsibly according to one persons view of what is or is not responsible requires fear and a totalitarian dictatorship. Finally came out of the closet huh?
    So then you would favor repealing all criminal and civil laws? According to your logic that vast body of law represents totalitarian dictatorship.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    We have to fix this tyrannical understanding. Necessary and proper as you understand it voids the rest of the Constitution. Properly understood the phrase means it can do what is necessary and proper to meet the needs as identified in its enumerated powers.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    TI would still argue that the constitution is a living document and that despite Hamiltons, Wilson, Randoplh, and Madison's views, the the document was drafted as such.
    Such is the view of all tyrants. A living Constitution is not a Constitution at all.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A “superior” technology that can only prevail by having government impose bans or restrictions on the older technology that it means to replace is not “superior” after all, and government is doing a great disservice to those it is supposed to serve, by forcing them to use what is truly an inferior technology to that which they would use if given their own free choice.
    Truth stands on its own. Error requires government support.

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