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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    And that same area is thriving today. For those not in the know, the area that caught fire (in the 1960's) is just a stones throw from the Rock and Roll HOF and new Aquarium.

    Sport fishing is thriving on Lake Erie. I couldn't beging to guess how many Perch I've ate out of the lake.
    Right on about the river fires. But I would advise against eating our fish to often, as does the Ohio Department of Health. This is just one example I found quickly, you can find many more through the DNR.

    http://www.epa.ohio.gov/portals/35/f...Your_Catch.pdf
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    I am sure that some of those rules benefit us to some extent. If we let the corporate world run things, the tax code would double in size with all the loopholes that would be added...fancy that, more holes, but it weighs more...
    Maybe. The estimated compliance cost every year is greater than one trillion dollars. Do you really think businesses will stick around here and deal with more than 80,000 rules...or will anyone who can flee to a saner country do so?

    Fair Tax looks good. The flat tax is okay too. I prefer the Fair Tax.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Try Walmart, Costco, Sam's Club, and when they go on sale, but a few extra. There is infant mortality with all kinds of bulbs. Out of a standard pack of 10 curlies, I am not surprised when one quits early. But the rest of them that I installed are still burning bright 5 years later. I had CFL floods in our AZ house in the kitchen, to cut down on the heat directly over my head. But the light distribution was poor, despite there being 8 of them, so I put in new fixtures with 3 each 35W Halogen (incandescent) floods per fixture. Now I have 12 bulbs that I can aim in the direction of the dark corners, and the kitchen is a brighter place. But almost all the other lights in the house are CFL curlies.,
    A lot of work and expense to re-create what $2.00 worth of regular bulbs once did.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Try Walmart, Costco, Sam's Club, and when they go on sale, but a few extra. There is infant mortality with all kinds of bulbs. Out of a standard pack of 10 curlies, I am not surprised when one quits early. But the rest of them that I installed are still burning bright 5 years later. I had CFL floods in our AZ house in the kitchen, to cut down on the heat directly over my head. But the light distribution was poor, despite there being 8 of them, so I put in new fixtures with 3 each 35W Halogen (incandescent) floods per fixture. Now I have 12 bulbs that I can aim in the direction of the dark corners, and the kitchen is a brighter place. But almost all the other lights in the house are CFL curlies.,
    Thank you. That is good advice. I just had two new flood lights added to my favorite reading spot.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    what would you call a liberal republican or a conservative democrat?
    The liberal Republican is generally called an Establishment Republican or an East Coast Republican.
    A conservative democrat is a liar. They all vote with Reid and Pelosi. But they used to exist.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If you live in a sewer vote with your feet and move. I have heard of no river fires in many decades.
    CO2 is a great example of governments over reaching. Since all or nearly every living thing exhales carbon dioxide then the government has the right to control everything. once you go down the road of ceding your rights to a busybody bureaucrat it is only a matter of time before you are not free any longer.

    I do not know the answer. Would you say that Cleveland and it surrounding areas have been run by liberal democrats or by conservative republicans?
    Please don't call my home a sewer. We could all find plenty of fault with the great state of Alabama. Lets be civil here.

    As far as voting with my feet, sorry I don't give up that easy.

    For reference, the CLE area is primarily democrats within the city limits and inner suburbs. The outer ring suburbs and surrounding congressional districts are generally very red.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You really think it is as simple as that? Awesome.
    As far as your suggestion that it might be the sun, yes. What evidence do you have to prove the scientists are wrong???
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    Please don't call my home a sewer. We could all find plenty of fault with the great state of Alabama. Lets be civil here.

    As far as voting with my feet, sorry I don't give up that easy.

    For reference, the CLE area is primarily democrats within the city limits and inner suburbs. The outer ring suburbs and surrounding congressional districts are generally very red.
    LOL. You described a river ablaze with pollutants, not me.

    I am pretty thick skinned about Alabama. Before I moved here and discovered just how good it is to live here I had many misconceptions. I have lived all over the world. I prefer Huntsville-Madison to the rest of them.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    How can you actually say we have created a clean environment. You are simply ignoring the facts for your own base ends. I'm from Cleveland, and if you haven't heard we had a river catch on fire a few times thanks to the layer of pollution on top. We live on one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, but we are advised to only eat our local fish a few times a month because of chemical contamination.

    As far as global warming and pollution not being connected, get real. CO2 is a pollutant as well, CFC's are pollutants. These are just terms and pollutants are anything introduced to an environment that has a negative effect.
    Scientific facts don't seem to carry a lot of weight with the science denier crowd.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As far as your suggestion that it might be the sun, yes. What evidence do you have to prove the scientists are wrong??
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    Why would I let you suck me into a worthless debate? We each know the other's positions. You are not going to change my opinion. Nor will I change yours.

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