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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Let me see if I can help you out.

    Conservatives are not against change. Conservatives are for constitutionally limited government. You will have to tell me what Progressives are. I believe they are generally for unconstrained government. Please clarify if you think I have it wrong.
    Progressives are something that the likes of Glenn Beckerhead and Rush Limpbaugh rail against....I don't actually know any progressives, personally. Could it be that they are behind the commies that are behind every tree?
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    And we laugh at you, so it all balances out nicely!
    Why yes. And you are free to do so with no interference from me or the state. But that is freedom. Enjoy it.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Let me see if I can help you out.

    Conservatives are not against change. Conservatives are for constitutionally limited government. You will have to tell me what Progressives are. I believe they are generally for unconstrained government. Please clarify if you think I have it wrong.
    Actually conservatives are a right leaning group believing in traditional forms of government often predicated on religious teachings. Liberals are for limited government and protected freedoms. At least that is how it is everywhere else in the world and in the field of political science. The US and UK just happened to have confused the terms when FDR introduced the new deal legislation as a being 'liberal' instead of socialist. Just saying lol.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Christians teach sharing, are they liberals?
    Are you confusing what individuals do or what governments do?

    Yes. many Christians are liberals.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I missed a key point. Statists...they believe that the state is important. The people are less so. They enlarge the state in any way they can. The generate 80,000 plus regulations on businesses, they add more government employees at every turn. They live to enlarge the state apparatus with its power over businesses and the people.
    I am sure that some of those rules benefit us to some extent. If we let the corporate world run things, the tax code would double in size with all the loopholes that would be added...fancy that, more holes, but it weighs more...
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    How can you actually say we have created a clean environment. You are simply ignoring the facts for your own base ends. I'm from Cleveland, and if you haven't heard we had a river catch on fire a few times thanks to the layer of pollution on top. We live on one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, but we are advised to only eat our local fish a few times a month because of chemical contamination.
    And that same area is thriving today. For those not in the know, the area that caught fire (in the 1960's) is just a stones throw from the Rock and Roll HOF and new Aquarium.

    Sport fishing is thriving on Lake Erie. I couldn't beging to guess how many Perch I've ate out of the lake.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    How can you actually say we have created a clean environment. You are simply ignoring the facts for your own base ends. I'm from Cleveland, and if you haven't heard we had a river catch on fire a few times thanks to the layer of pollution on top. We live on one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, but we are advised to only eat our local fish a few times a month because of chemical contamination.

    As far as global warming and pollution not being connected, get real. CO2 is a pollutant as well, CFC's are pollutants. These are just terms and pollutants are anything introduced to an environment that has a negative effect.
    If you live in a sewer vote with your feet and move. I have heard of no river fires in many decades.
    CO2 is a great example of governments over reaching. Since all or nearly every living thing exhales carbon dioxide then the government has the right to control everything. once you go down the road of ceding your rights to a busybody bureaucrat it is only a matter of time before you are not free any longer.

    I do not know the answer. Would you say that Cleveland and it surrounding areas have been run by liberal democrats or by conservative republicans?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    Actually conservatives are a right leaning group believing in traditional forms of government often predicated on religious teachings. Liberals are for limited government and protected freedoms. At least that is how it is everywhere else in the world and in the field of political science. The US and UK just happened to have confused the terms when FDR introduced the new deal legislation as a being 'liberal' instead of socialist. Just saying lol.
    If you want to use the terms archaically be my guest.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    what kind of bulbs costs $8 each and where are you buying them?
    Try Walmart, Costco, Sam's Club, and when they go on sale, but a few extra. There is infant mortality with all kinds of bulbs. Out of a standard pack of 10 curlies, I am not surprised when one quits early. But the rest of them that I installed are still burning bright 5 years later. I had CFL floods in our AZ house in the kitchen, to cut down on the heat directly over my head. But the light distribution was poor, despite there being 8 of them, so I put in new fixtures with 3 each 35W Halogen (incandescent) floods per fixture. Now I have 12 bulbs that I can aim in the direction of the dark corners, and the kitchen is a brighter place. But almost all the other lights in the house are CFL curlies.,
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If you live in a sewer vote with your feet and move. I have heard of no river fires in many decades.
    CO2 is a great example of governments over reaching. Since all or nearly every living thing exhales carbon dioxide then the government has the right to control everything. once you go down the road of ceding your rights to a busybody bureaucrat it is only a matter of time before you are not free any longer.

    I do not know the answer. Would you say that Cleveland and it surrounding areas have been run by liberal democrats or by conservative republicans?
    what would you call a liberal republican or a conservative democrat?
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