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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Why would you even want to buy the old lightbulbs? They have cheaper ones that last longer now, and they're better for the environment to boot... They even have old fashioned incandescent ones that meet the standard if you're feeling nostalgic or something... I honestly can't come up with one reason somebody would want to buy the old ones except to make some kind of misguided point about wanting to destroy the environment or something. Can you explain why you want to?
    You are missing the point. I want the free market to allocate resources. I do not want the government telling me what toilet I can have, and what lightbulbs I must buy. I am rich. I will buy the bulb that best fits my needs, including my willingness to pay a premium for convenience.

    I do not care one whit about the environment. It does not need my care. Nor does it need yours. It will do just fine without you compelling politicians to take my right to live free from government interference in every aspect of my life.

    Lightbulbs are a symptom.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? We live in a democracy. We all decide what rules we want to live under together...
    Not if you love liberty.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where exactly do you think I'm getting my doubt from?
    Right wing pundits and blogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And democracy is not about equal say. Democracy is about majority rules regardless of what the minority says.
    What?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course he is... You understand about greenhouse gasses, right?
    You understand that man caused global warming is a hoax, right?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You are missing the point. I want the free market to allocate resources. I do not want the government telling me what toilet I can have, and what lightbulbs I must buy. I am rich. I will buy the bulb that best fits my needs, including my willingness to pay a premium for convenience.
    The market? How would the market take environmental damage into account? That's an externality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do not care one whit about the environment.
    That's fine. You don't have to. But you share that environment with people that do care about it. You don't get to impose your will on other people just because you don't care about the environment or understand the implications of damaging it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Not if you love liberty.
    So you think there should not be any rules? Anarchy? Or when do you think it is ok for society to decide on rules to live by together?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You understand that man caused global warming is a hoax, right?
    Like I keep saying, you're free not to believe in science if you don't want to. But you don't make the decisions on behalf of everybody.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by satnightpoly View Post
    Why do debates on the environment always devolve into a capitalism vs socialism debate? Anyone know the game Tragedy of the Commons? This is the real issue at hand.
    No it isn't. The tragedy of the commons requires that no one communicates. All over the world people come to agreements about how to handle common resources. The only places where bad things happen are places where governments get involved.

    Everything else you wrote was just an excuse for centralized governments controlling everything. I suppose that is comfortable for many. After all tyranny of the few over the many is the general history of mankind.

    Oh, and you do realize you are not going to be a member of the politburo...right?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    I'm right with you on the right to buy what I want but global warming isn't a hoax and sometimes we have to make sacrifices to live in civilization together. Society is imperfect but better than the alternative.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us. If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...
    It amazes me there are still a some around that can't grasp that basic fact.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If everyone used as little energy as I do, we would not have a CO2 problem.
    You are still breathing?

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