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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? We live in a democracy. We all decide what rules we want to live under together...
    The majority decides the rules we ALL live under. At least get your own arguments straight.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? We live in a democracy. We all decide what rules we want to live under together...
    And currently they decided that we can have our lightbulbs. Which isn't the real fight, but it is a victory none the less.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bad bad argument. Energy itself can't be used up. I think you mean resources, but that almost just as bad since the use of resources in the market will arise alternatives as the end comes near. Now of course with the government paying the bills and paying for research that goes out the window.

    We are talking about light bulbs so at best you have secondary relationship as I said before. As they are not the source of the damage you have no authority for your statement.
    If you don't believe in science, that's your choice, but you don't have the right to impose your personal preferences for how we should handle everybody's environment on everybody else. The same rules apply to all of us. We all have the same say in making those rules and we all have to live by what we decide. That's how life is in any situation other than anarchy.

    If you can't even come up with one reason that you want to use the old lightbulbs, then it hurts nothing. When we weigh the environmental damage the old bulbs cause against "nothing", the environmental damage is the bigger impact. If you think you can make a persuasive argument in favor of the old bulbs, you can try to convince the rest of the people that share the environment with you that you having the old light bulbs is worth the tradeoffs. But so far you haven't been able to come up with any advantage at all to them, so I don't see that happening.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He isn't harming the environment by using resources. He is affecting your ability to merely use those resources. To act as if they are the same is a fallacy.
    Of course he is... You understand about greenhouse gasses, right?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    And currently they decided that we can have our lightbulbs. Which isn't the real fight, but it is a victory none the less.
    You may only continue crapping in our backyards until October, live it up!!!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Why do debates on the environment always devolve into a capitalism vs socialism debate? Anyone know the game Tragedy of the Commons? This is the real issue at hand. I believe in capitalism's ability to regulate scarce goods, but it fails at distributing scarce and necessary goods like utilities or public lands. The market conditions dictate that there is a certain level at which a product can both meet demand and be affordable but this hastens the use of product. In the case of something like oil, which is the lynchpin modern civilization, prices are artificially low when compared to the utility of the product and the reserves available. As important as oil is, it's price should be much higher but it is so necessary to modern existence that the price has to be kept low and therefore consumption will remain at a high level and the resource is exhausted more quickly. This one place, like with the environment, that capitalism does in fact fail.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You can buy an extension pole with a suction cup to remove and reinstall bulbs in high ceilings. I've got one and it works great.
    That is a good idea.

    My office has high ceilings. Most of the can lights in the house are in my office. Well, I guess the kitchen has nearly as many can lights. The kitchen ceiling is either 10 feet, the living room is twelve and my office and Exercise room are twelve feet. My bookshelves are eight feet, so yes, the ceilings are twelve feet, not fourteen.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You may only continue crapping in our backyards until October, live it up!!!
    And you can mark that day as the day you lost a choice. Maybe not a choice you would have made, but one that you can no longer make.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Both CFLs and LEDs are cheaper than incandescent when you figure in the energy savings and longer life. Obviously there is a significant up-front cost with LEDs....
    Perhaps if they last as long as the claims...I have had no such experience to date.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Less by limiting the rights of the user of the source they have no control over.
    Less waste by consumer = less pollution of the environment that we all depend on. Seems like a direct responsibility to me.
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