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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us. If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...
    So you want to regulate my consumption? Hello comrade.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What could possibly trivialize freedom more than equating it to wanting to use out of date lightbulbs?
    It seems that some people are unsuited for freedom and liberty. We call those people liberals.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    So you want to regulate my consumption? Hello comrade.
    Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So are you an anarchist? Or what is your standard exactly for when individual preference gives way to the overall well being of society?
    Who gets to decide what the "overall well being of society" is? You?

    How about I decide what is best for me and you decide what is best for you?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us.
    Bad bad argument. Energy itself can't be used up. I think you mean resources, but that almost just as bad since the use of resources in the market will arise alternatives as the end comes near. Now of course with the government paying the bills and paying for research that goes out the window.

    If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...
    We are talking about light bulbs so at best you have secondary relationship as I said before. As they are not the source of the damage you have no authority for your statement.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It seems that some people are unsuited for freedom and liberty. We call those people liberals.
    Why would you even want to buy the old lightbulbs? They have cheaper ones that last longer now, and they're better for the environment to boot... They even have old fashioned incandescent ones that meet the standard if you're feeling nostalgic or something... I honestly can't come up with one reason somebody would want to buy the old ones except to make some kind of misguided point about wanting to destroy the environment or something. Can you explain why you want to?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...
    You're right. I am pouring mecury into the stream.

    The government should not regulate the products I buy. If they want to regulate, charge the companies the cost for disposal and clean up. Then the product would become more expensive, and people will buy the cleaner cheaper solution. But don't ban my choices.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Who gets to decide what the "overall well being of society" is? You?

    How about I decide what is best for me and you decide what is best for you?
    What? We live in a democracy. We all decide what rules we want to live under together...

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How many tea partiers does it take to screw up a light bulb?
    None. Screwing up light bulbs is a job for General Electric and the Congress.

    I just bought six replacement bulbs for the six I bought five months ago. Those bulbs are guaranteed to last two years, as long as you don't actually turn them on.So including today's purchase I have spent one hundred dollars plus to buy twelve, not very good light bulbs --for one year's worth of light. I hate Congress.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...
    He isn't harming the environment by using resources. He is affecting your ability to merely use those resources. To act as if they are the same is a fallacy.

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