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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Like I said, you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard.
    I would think that there are still places in the U.S. where people have outhouses in their back yards.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I would think that there are still places in the U.S. where people have outhouses in their back yards.
    And, I don't recall any Federal legislation banning outhouses from my or your back yards. Do you? The fort example is probably not a valid example. First, was it a Federal law against a state militia or was it for the Federal military? The Feds can regulate their property. That is far different from the outhouse in your backyard. Catawba, don't you agree?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah?? Tell that to the single mother with two kids working two jobs just to pay for the electric bill, much less having to pay $20 for a new led bulb in her bathroom.

    Why do libs hate poor people so much ??
    I would tell her, since she can save money over the long run by buying more efficient bulbs now.

    Why do wingnuts hate poor people so much?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If the harm to the well being of people is so obvious and has indeed occurred this harm should easily be proven in a court of law and easily be reflected on the light bulb itself. If freedom is so trivial to you that you think its justified to use government force to push your will, I think you should reconsider that stance.
    That's how the government imposes laws on the people- through the courts. Most law is civil, so it is just people suing each other. This is a civil law, but they would sue the distributor of the lightbulbs in court instead of the buyer. Much easier and cheaper that way instead of trying to sue a million individuals or something.

    Of course consuming more energy than you need to for no reason causes harm... You don't even need to believe in science to see why that would be a bad thing.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's how the government imposes laws on the people- through the courts. Most law is civil, so it is just people suing each other. This is a civil law, but they would sue the distributor of the lightbulbs in court instead of the buyer. Much easier and cheaper that way instead of trying to sue a million individuals or something.
    They oppose laws on people through many ways, not just through courts.

    In my example, I was in fact talking about suing the light bulb companies, but knowing full well it could not be proven they were at fault for the source of the supposed problem.

    Of course consuming more energy than you need to for no reason causes harm... You don't even need to believe in science to see why that would be a bad thing.
    Believe in science? Lol. I love that talking point! I swear it never gets old.

    Anyway, I already dealt with this.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    With everything going on in the world the big line in the sand the GOP wants to draw is the "right" to use crappy, overpriced, lightbulbs that wear out faster? Seriously guys?
    there is also the payroll tax reduction, 2% !! big whoop....
    they say having the reduction will create jobs...I have my doubts.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They oppose laws on people through many ways, not just through courts.

    In my example, I was in fact talking about suing the light bulb companies, but knowing full well it could not be proven they were at fault for the source of the supposed problem.
    That isn't how the courts work. If the light bulbs are harmful to the public in general, but there was no law against them, you couldn't sue companies for it. You can't assert a generalized injury against the people as a whole in court unless the legislature gives you a private cause of action. The legislature didn't do that here, they created a cause of action that the government could assert. That's a better way to go because you don't want a ton of nuisance suits against like hardware stores that forgot to change out their stock or whatever.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Freedom should never be a trivial matter.
    yet so many people trivialize it with insanely trivial issues, like light bulbs...
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    there is also the payroll tax reduction, 2% !! big whoop....
    they say having the reduction will create jobs...I have my doubts.
    The payroll tax break means $120 BILLION more in consumer spending. Even if you figure the super rich will skim 50% of that off the top, that still leaves $60 billion for jobs. That's 1 million $60k/year jobs they killed.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The payroll tax break means $120 BILLION more in consumer spending. Even if you figure the super rich will skim 50% of that off the top, that still leaves $60 billion for jobs. That's 1 million $60k/year jobs they killed.
    you assume that the money will be spent....
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