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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I prefer not to pull out the ladder and climb up to the, what are they, 14 foot ceilings, to exchange bulbs. So when one burns out I replace them all. I expected by 54 dollars worth to last more than five months. I hate government intervention.

    I was evaluating LEDs. They are very nice and very expensive. Still, if the government was not taking my choices away from me in some cases I would buy then for their convenience.

    I am willing to pay a premium for reliability.
    You can buy an extension pole with a suction cup to remove and reinstall bulbs in high ceilings. I've got one and it works great.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is not a Lowes or Home Depot near where you live?

    "Incandescent bulbs meeting the standards that go into effect this January are already available in stores like Lowe’s and Home Depot."
    Light Bulb Shopping Guide for Representative Barton | Jim Presswood's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

    And sorry, but you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard.
    The incandescent bulbs in your link will also be banned in a few years. When that happens, we will be forced to buy inefficient CFL bulbs or expensive LED bulbs. My Lowes does not have the 100 watt Sylvania bulbs listed in your link. I don't believe they exist.

    CFL bulbs do not work in cold climates like outdoor lighting or unheated sheds or garages. They also provide very short lifespans when turned on for only short periods like in baths and closets. LED bulbs put out very poor light and cost outrageous amounts of money. Will they come down in price? Probably, but will still be far more expensive than normal incandescent bulbs, creating a hardship for poor people.

    Normal incandescent bulbs are more cost effective in some situations and we should have the right to continue purchasing them.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The incandescent bulbs in your link will also be banned in a few years. When that happens, we will be forced to buy inefficient CFL bulbs or expensive LED bulbs. My Lowes does not have the 100 watt Sylvania bulbs listed in your link. I don't believe they exist.

    CFL bulbs do not work in cold climates like outdoor lighting or unheated sheds or garages. They also provide very short lifespans when turned on for only short periods like in baths and closets. LED bulbs put out very poor light and cost outrageous amounts of money. Will they come down in price? Probably, but will still be far more expensive than normal incandescent bulbs, creating a hardship for poor people.

    Normal incandescent bulbs are more cost effective in some situations and we should have the right to continue purchasing them.
    Both CFLs and LEDs are cheaper than incandescent when you figure in the energy savings and longer life. Obviously there is a significant up-front cost with LEDs....

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Both CFLs and LEDs are cheaper than incandescent when you figure in the energy savings and longer life. Obviously there is a significant up-front cost with LEDs....
    Yeah?? Tell that to the single mother with two kids working two jobs just to pay for the electric bill, much less having to pay $20 for a new led bulb in her bathroom.

    Why do libs hate poor people so much ??

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Both CFLs and LEDs are cheaper than incandescent when you figure in the energy savings and longer life. Obviously there is a significant up-front cost with LEDs....
    When you are considering the cost of CFLs & LEDs vs incandescent, is that taking into account the enviromental impacts, or is that just a consumer end cost figure?
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wasting energy unnecessarily, needlessly increases the amount of CO2 and other gases polluting our environment that we all depend on for our livelyhoods.
    So why do you continue to waste energy by driving an automobile and heating and air-conditioning where you live? Come on Pot, stop it!

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So are you an anarchist? Or what is your standard exactly for when individual preference gives way to the overall well being of society?
    Good grief! You sure took a leap there in your logic. Because I prefer freedom to tyranny, that makes me an anarchist?

    As for my standard, I will accept the Constitution of the United States and what its authors intended, which was limited Federal Government. The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to set standards for lightbulbs and, in essence, ban certain lightbulbs.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    First they came for the cheap, Chinese-made, energy wasting 100 watt light bulbs;
    And I didn't speak out, because I love crappy Chicom **** and wasting energy;

    Then they came for me....
    While being sarcastic, you actually hit the nail on the head. It's amazing how many people today no longer understand freedom.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you claiming you ride a bike everywhere and live in a tent???
    Good Heavens, no! I drive a full-size car, perhaps, even larger than a full-size car. And, I live in a comfortable roomy 4 bedroom home in the burbs with heating, air-conditioning and those dreaded old lightbulbs. I am not the one saying that using a particular lightbulb is wasting energy. That would be you. And, your car uses more energy than your lightbulbs. And, your heating and air-conditioning use more energy than your lightbulbs. If you want energy to not be wasted, begin with yourself.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The US Military is also doing more than just replacing energy wasting light bulbs:

    Military going green to save lives, money

    "(CNN) -- In 2010 alone, there were roughly 1,100 attacks on U.S. fuel convoys. This has cost the men and women of our armed forces dearly.

    Military officials recently reported that more than 3,000 uniformed soldiers and contractors died while protecting such missions in Iraq from 2003 to 2007. But new Pentagon initiatives could dramatically reduce our battlefield fuel demand through the use of new clean energy technologies, helping save lives and stretch ever-scarce defense dollars.

    The U.S. Department of Defense is one of the world's largest institutional energy consumers. Using more than 300,000 barrels of oil daily, the U.S. military consumes more petroleum products than three-quarters of the countries in the world.

    In fiscal year 2008, energy cost the department about $17.9 billion. Leaders in the Pentagon, though, are up to the challenge."
    Sorry, but this piece doesn't tell me much. It tells me that war is Hell, but I knew that already. I cannot wait to see APCs, tanks, fighters and bombers using alternative energy sources. That should be cool. I would think that countries like Bangladesh, North Korea, and Myanmar don't use much petroleum; however, they are probably better environmentalists than you. They ride bikes and live in shacks that don't have heating or air-conditioning.

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