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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What could possibly trivialize freedom more than equating it to wanting to use out of date lightbulbs?
    They won't really be outdated until alternatives exist, that consumers willingly choose to buy in their place, without Big Brother having to stick its nose where it has no damn business doing so, in order to force consumers to buy the lights that it thinks they should be buying instead of the lights that they want to buy.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    They won't really be outdated until alternatives exist, that consumers willingly choose to buy in their place, without Big Brother having to stick its nose where it has no damn business doing so, in order to force consumers to buy the lights that it thinks they should be buying instead of the lights that they want to buy.
    There is not a Lowes or Home Depot near where you live?

    "Incandescent bulbs meeting the standards that go into effect this January are already available in stores like Lowe’s and Home Depot."
    Light Bulb Shopping Guide for Representative Barton | Jim Presswood's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

    And sorry, but you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So are you an anarchist? Or what is your standard exactly for when individual preference gives way to the overall well being of society?
    If the harm to the well being of people is so obvious and has indeed occurred this harm should easily be proven in a court of law and easily be reflected on the light bulb itself. If freedom is so trivial to you that you think its justified to use government force to push your will, I think you should reconsider that stance.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is not a Lowes or Home Depot near where you live?

    "Incandescent bulbs meeting the standards that go into effect this January are already available in stores like Lowe’s and Home Depot."
    Light Bulb Shopping Guide for Representative Barton | Jim Presswood's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC
    How in the world does that disprove what he said? You put in place a measure that bans a product and now you're saying they are in fact outdated and all people are willing to buy the alternative? Poor argument my friend.

    And sorry, but you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard.
    The problem with this is the light bulbs are just emitting light in a way you find ineffective while you use the excuse that it is in fact the cause of the harm. When the fact is that if there is a indeed a harm it would come from the source of the energy, not the light bulbs.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How in the world does that disprove what he said? You put in place a measure that bans a product and now you're saying they are in fact outdated and all people are willing to buy the alternative? Poor argument my friend.
    He said there were no alternatives available. I pointed out they were as near as the local Lowes or Home Depot.


    The problem with this is the light bulbs are just emitting light in a way you find ineffective while you use the excuse that it is in fact the cause of the harm. When the fact is that if there is a indeed a harm it would come from the source of the energy, not the light bulbs.
    Wasting energy unnecessarily, needlessly increases the amount of CO2 and other gases polluting our environment that we all depend on for our livelyhoods. Like I said, you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard. Even back during colonial days you were required to travel a certain distance away from the fort to take a dump. People's freedom to **** inside the fort was a lesser priority than the health of the community as a whole.

    Same principle here.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He said there were no alternatives available.
    That is not what I said.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He said there were no alternatives available. I pointed out they were as near as the local Lowes or Home Depot.
    I will go with what he said, thank you.




    Wasting energy unnecessarily, needlessly increases the amount of CO2 and other gases polluting our environment that we all depend on for our livelyhoods. Like I said, you don't have the "freedom" to **** in my back yard. Even back during colonial days you were required to travel a certain distance away from the fort to take a dump. People's freedom to **** inside the fort was a lesser priority than the health of the community as a whole.

    Same principle here.
    No, its really not. In your example the guy ****ting in the fort was seen as causing the harm and was in fact the origin of the harm. In this case here, the light bulb is needing more from the source considered harmful than the alternative when in use. Point being, if the harm itself is present it would be coming from the power plant, not either light bulb choice. If your example was true to its intent than not even the alternative would make you happy and everyone would still be ****ting in your yard. All you would have is less ****.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That is not what I said.
    Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock
    They won't really be outdated until alternatives exist, that consumers willingly choose to buy in their place, without Big Brother having to stick its nose where it has no damn business doing so, in order to force consumers to buy the lights that it thinks they should be buying instead of the lights that they want to buy.
    I addressed your availability issue by noting the alternatives were available as close as the nearest Lowes or Home Depot, and I addressed the second part of your opinion, the "freedom" issue by noting that we haven't had the "freedom" to **** in our neighbors yard since the Colonial times when people were REQUIRED to go a distance away from the fort to take a crap.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I will go with what he said, thank you.

    No, its really not. In your example the guy ****ting in the fort was seen as causing the harm and was in fact the origin of the harm. In this case here, the light bulb is needing more from the source considered harmful than the alternative when in use. Point being, if the harm itself is present it would be coming from the power plant, not either light bulb choice. If your example was true to its intent than not even the alternative would make you happy and everyone would still be ****ting in your yard. All you would have is less ****.
    That's what we are going for - less **** in our environment.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's what we are going for - less **** in our environment.
    Less by limiting the rights of the user of the source they have no control over.

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