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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have seen the CFL's at great sale prices at Sam's Club and the local utility in AZ donated a ton of them to Goodwill, and they sell them dirt cheap....
    they have the floods equivalent ot 65watts, the curlies at 3 wattage ratings, and the enclosed curlies that don't look like curlies for those who can't stand to look at the curlies...
    My son put in some LED lights in the few places that are hard to get to, and I will likely do that at my Utah house where I need a really tall ladder to get to a couple of fixtures...but not til the curlies burn out....
    Damn, looky here. Big Utility donates!!!!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Damn, looky here. Big Utility donates!!!!
    Of course they do. They don't want to buy more capacity just because people are so slow to realize the savings are real when switching from those heat lamps. Electricity is also the most expensive form of heat so don't justify it that way,

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because the unregulated market puts short term profits ahead of whats best for future generations that will depend on the environment to sustain itself.
    While that may be true, the government has a long history of not doing what's best for "future generations" as well, not to mention if they can control commerce such as this it decreases competition and encourage corporate influence (see GE).
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    meh.. I have the new swirlies all over my house.. I didn't like them at first, but i've gotten used to them.

    oddly enough, I didn't need to be told by mommy government to make the change... I did it all on my own, like a big boy.


    but really, I can afford to make the change, because..well... i'm not poor.
    lots of folks don't have the money to be making changes.. even if the high up front cost benefits them in the long run.
    the minute that brought up is the minute we start seeing cries for government subsidies of efficient light bulbs for the poor... and even more cries of raising taxes on the evil despicable rich people to pay for those subsidies..

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    While that may be true, the government has a long history of not doing what's best for "future generations" as well, not to mention if they can control commerce such as this it decreases competition and encourage corporate influence (see GE).
    Why do some always want to blame either God or the government on man's shortcomings???? If we, as a majority, have no interest in not fouling our own nest, how would either the government or the private market be a solution?
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Well the only reason I don't like being forced is because all the new bulbs are made in China. You know why? To dangerous to do it here. So who cares if Chinese workers die as long as we get longer lasting cheaper light bulbs.

    When British consumers are compelled to buy energy-efficient light bulbs in 2012, they will save up to five million tons of carbon dioxide a year from being pumped into the atmosphere. In China, however, a heavy environmental price is being paid for the production of green light bulbs in cost-cutting factories.

    Large numbers of Chinese workers have been poisoned by mercury, which forms part of the compact fluorescent light bulbs. A surge in foreign demand, set off by a European Union directive making the bulbs compulsory within three years, has also led to the reopening of mercury mines that have ruined the environment.
    - Earth-Friendly Light Bulbs Have Dark Secret

    Now who's fault is this in the US?

    House democrats blocked the repeal of the light bulb ban. A majority of Americans oppose the government’s unpopular and unnecessary ban on incandescent bulbs and infringement on choice. On January 1 2012, 100 watt incandescent bulbs will become illegal, with lower wattages to follow. - Lights Out… Democrats Block Repeal of Lightbulb Ban – Vote Gives Jobs to China | The Gateway Pundit
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well the only reason I don't like being forced is because all the new bulbs are made in China. You know why? To dangerous to do it here. So who cares if Chinese workers die as long as we get longer lasting cheaper light bulbs.
    Yeah, funny that. The manufacturers get these new regulations in force and then to meet them, they ship the manufacturing to China.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    I only read two pages. If the level of mercury is that dangerous then I think the people should be inform properly that it can cause harm. I believe govt can request companies to put it in the warning label section of old light bulbs on the box about the high level of mercury. Then let the market decide if it goes out of fashion or not. There likely be some people who still want to use the old light bulbs but that is their business.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    the free market is often ignorant and that is why so much cheap crap is sold to them.....China survives by selling us cheap crap...our economy suffers becuase we buy cheap crap,....we waste our money on cheap crap and don't have any left to buy health insurance....I could go on....consumers are often so ignorant that it borders on stupid.
    So people aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves, so we now expect the sponsored politicians to make the decision for us? I believe we are better than sheep.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Of course they do. They don't want to buy more capacity just because people are so slow to realize the savings are real when switching from those heat lamps. Electricity is also the most expensive form of heat so don't justify it that way,
    I spent over $200 on a bunch of led bulbs. I took them out last week after listening to my wife bitch about them for the last 3 months. It's impossible to read anything with them because the light is so dim. I could have put in low wattage incandescent bulbs and achieved the same thing at a lot less cost. The old incandescent bulbs are back in the fixtures and the led bulbs went into fixtures in rooms that we don't have to see good in.

    Electricity is NOT the most expensive form of heat. My last two houses have been heated by electricity. My neighbor has gas heat and spends twice what we do each winter heating his home.

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