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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can you name one person who died from smoking? How do you know they wouldn't have developed lung cancer anyway?
    If everyone stopped using incandescents and replaced them with more efficient bulbs, there'd be a lot less coal used in this country. Pollution from coal has health risks, which would be reduced. Coal mining has deaths involved, which would be reduced. CO2 emissions would be reduced, which would slow global warming, which would reduce the resulting crop stresses. Fewer people would starve.
    Our coal mining is miniscule compared to the Chinese. They already produce far more coal than us and just signed a joint agreement with Peabody Coal to increase production by 50 million tons per year.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can you name one person who died from smoking? How do you know they wouldn't have developed lung cancer anyway?
    If everyone stopped using incandescents and replaced them with more efficient bulbs, there'd be a lot less coal used in this country. Pollution from coal has health risks, which would be reduced. Coal mining has deaths involved, which would be reduced. CO2 emissions would be reduced, which would slow global warming, which would reduce the resulting crop stresses. Fewer people would starve.
    Just as I thought. No evidence. Just more of "The sky is falling!"

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No one claimed they are afraid of CFL bulbs, but feel free to continue your weak attempts at Straw Man fantasies.

    I merely posted that peer reviewed papers refute Snopes. Since you put so much faith in peer review, I'm sure you will stop quoting Snopes as some kind of scientific proof.
    Your report basically came up with the same conclusions -

    From your report - "The amount of liquid mercury (Hg) that leaches from a broken compact fluorescent lamp (CFL) is lower than the level allowed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), so CFLs are not considered hazardous waste."

    And if you do not use them at all there is zero chance of exposure. So if you are still worried about them, simply don't use them. What's so hard about that?

    There are no requirements to use CFL's!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Our coal mining is miniscule compared to the Chinese. They already produce far more coal than us and just signed a joint agreement with Peabody Coal to increase production by 50 million tons per year.
    So your thinking is that if China pollutes the air more than necessary, we should too???
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    A tad obtuse, but I understand it. Common sense has not been overly common for quite some time.
    Says the person who is equating Stalinism with the ability to buy an outdated, inefficient light bulb.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Says the person who is equating Stalinism with the ability to buy an outdated, inefficient light bulb.
    Okay, I give up. Where did I mention Stalin, Stalinism, communism or even socialism?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Okay, I give up. Where did I mention Stalin, Stalinism, communism or even socialism?
    You did call it tyranny. Stalin was a tyrant.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You did call it tyranny. Stalin was a tyrant.
    So were many other people. Tyrants can be left or right on the political spectrum. Your use of Stalinism was wrong and added absolutely nothing useful to the conversation.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    So were many other people. Tyrants can be left or right on the political spectrum. Your use of Stalinism was wrong and added absolutely nothing useful to the conversation.
    Nor does calling a bill about improved light bulb efficiency tyranny while invoking a Mel Gibson-like call for FREEDOM as if you were prepared to go to war for a piece of wire in a glass case.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Nor does calling a bill about improved light bulb efficiency tyranny while invoking a Mel Gibson-like call for FREEDOM as if you were prepared to go to war for a piece of wire in a glass case.
    Actually, Mel Gibson was not preparing to go to war when he said FREEDOM!!! He was preparing to die.

    I posted a definition of tyranny earlier in this thread. I stand by my beliefs.

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