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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    No place is completely safe. Once in a while we are given the choice of living on our knees or dying on our feet. I choose the latter.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Personally, I don't give a rats rear end as to whose stupid idea this was. It was wrongheaded and tyrannical.
    The far right: We don't need no stinkin' energy efficiency, we need to nip that kind of talk in the bud - “Rep. Sandy Adams (R-Fla.) has introduced an amendment to the Energy and Water spending bill that would limit funds for any DOE website “which disseminates information regarding energy efficiency and educational programs to children or adolescents.”

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The far right: We don't need no stinkin' energy efficiency, we need to nip that kind of talk in the bud - “Rep. Sandy Adams (R-Fla.) has introduced an amendment to the Energy and Water spending bill that would limit funds for any DOE website “which disseminates information regarding energy efficiency and educational programs to children or adolescents.”

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    Good for Rep. Adams. We need children and adolescents to learn how to read, write, solve math problems, and maybe even learn a bit of history. That's what they should be learning rather than being indoctrinated by the tyrants.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    Well buy a ****ing halogen bulb then, or remain in the dark, I really don't give a ****!
    Halogen bulbs are almost as inefficient as incandescent. Their efficiency ratings are almost identical. They also have other problems such as heat output and difficulty in handling. A lot of fires have been started by halogen bulbs because they become so hot, although that problem has mostly been corrected by shielding them. They have to be handled with a towel or gloves because oil from fingers cause them to burn out faster.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Halogen bulbs are almost as inefficient as incandescent. Their efficiency ratings are almost identical.
    Thanks for your personal opinion even though it is wrong, as usual.

    "Indeed, in response to the new standards, manufacturers like Philips, GE, and Osram Sylvania devised improved incandescent bulbs that have a halogen capsule around the filament. The devices are 30 percent more efficient than conventional bulbs and typically sell for $1.49 per unit."

    Market for More Efficient Light Bulbs Moves On as House Vote Fizzles - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your personal opinion even though it is wrong, as usual.

    "Indeed, in response to the new standards, manufacturers like Philips, GE, and Osram Sylvania devised improved incandescent bulbs that have a halogen capsule around the filament. The devices are 30 percent more efficient than conventional bulbs and typically sell for $1.49 per unit."

    Market for More Efficient Light Bulbs Moves On as House Vote Fizzles - NYTimes.com
    The NYT's opinion is as wrong as your's.

    To get to the crux of your question: halogen bulbs are indeed more energy efficient than incandescents, but only incrementally.

    In general, filament-type bulbs have an efficacy (the industry term for efficiency) of somewhere around 10–20 lumens per watt (LPW); and
    they are only around 5% efficient, meaning just a small amount of the electricity consumed is actually converted into light.
    How energy efficient are "Xenon" halogen bulbs in light fixtures? - Green Home Guide by USGBC

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Consulting outdated articles provides outdated info. Look at the links I provided above and learn about the improvements made to the halogen incandescent light bulbs that make them 30% more efficient than the old incandescent bulbs. This why they meet the new efficiency standards and the old incandescent light bulbs do not.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Consulting outdated articles provides outdated info. Look at the links I provided above and learn about the improvements made to the halogen incandescent light bulbs that make them 30% more efficient than the old incandescent bulbs. This why they meet the new efficiency standards and the old incandescent light bulbs do not.
    I find it hilarious that you believe every word of a manufacturer's claims on energy efficiency. On any other subject, you would be crying about the lies that evil corporations tell to sell products.

    In any case, I trust the statements and testing of groups like the USGBC and Energy Star over the claims of people manufacturing bulbs in China, bribing politicians here to ban inexpensive bulbs, and then peddling the "improved", more expensive bulbs to us.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I find it hilarious that you believe every word of a manufacturer's claims on energy efficiency. On any other subject, you would be crying about the lies that evil corporations tell to sell products.

    In any case, I trust the statements and testing of groups like the USGBC and Energy Star over the claims of people manufacturing bulbs in China, bribing politicians here to ban inexpensive bulbs, and then peddling the "improved", more expensive bulbs to us.
    The new improved halogen incandescent light bulbs made by Phillips and others in this country that you just learned about, meet the efficiency standards created under the Bush Administration while the old incandescent bulbs do not. Now, if you are seeking even higher efficiency such as EnergyStar ratings, you should go with the CFL's or LED's. While more expensive intitally they are less expensive over the light bulb's life due to their exceptional efficiency and long life.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The new improved halogen incandescent light bulbs made by Phillips and others in this country that you just learned about, meet the efficiency standards created under the Bush Administration while the old incandescent bulbs do not. Now, if you are seeking even higher efficiency such as EnergyStar ratings, you should go with the CFL's or LED's. While more expensive intitally they are less expensive over the light bulb's life due to their exceptional efficiency and long life.
    So the advertisements claim. Do you believe every advertisement you see ???

    Yep, tell the single mom with two young kids while working a $8 / hour job that. I'm sure she'll be thrilled that you want her to buy a $30 LED instead of a 49 cent incandescent.

    Wait, don't tell me......... the dems will now propose bulb subsidies for everyone under 5 x poverty level, right ????

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