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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I liked your post with one caveat. Israel uses profiling as a large part of its screening. Profiling is a large loaded weapon and should be used with extreme care. Also the way TSA conducts its screening causes a large bottleneck of people all in a compact space to board various flights. That to me, is a far more dangerous place than actually being on a plane.
    Indeed extreme care but Israel seems to be able to pull it off.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I understand your assumptions. That is sufficient to understand your position. I disagree with you.
    What assumptions?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Indeed extreme care but Israel seems to be able to pull it off.
    Agreed, there are better ways than the way we are doing things.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    I'm sure this has already come up in this thread, but I'm curious how many of the cons complaining about the tyrannical light bulb energy standards know that this is a Bush policy, and that energy standards have been in place since Reagan, I believe.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm sure this has already come up in this thread, but I'm curious how many of the cons complaining about the tyrannical light bulb energy standards know that this is a Bush policy, and that energy standards have been in place since Reagan, I believe.
    Personally, I don't give a rats rear end as to whose stupid idea this was. It was wrongheaded and tyrannical.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Considering that the new bulbs last much longer than the old ones, and use much less electricity on top of it, consumers are actually saving money. the savings for consumers is estimated to be about 81 billion dollars.
    If given a choice at the check out, depending on how their budget would go, possible many consumers would opt out for the old bulbs..however, if the savings are going to be that much..over time..well I guess a little force feeding is necsessary.

    I know true conservatives want to have that choice for them selves, guess that's why I am a middle to the left, accept a bit of force feeding if needed if for the larger good I guess.

    Learned to lock up the seat belt, go through the scanners at the air port, recycle my papers, glass and plastic, don't burn the leaves in the fall, bag em , and so many other things that are now second nature to me and I just accept..all by being forced fed, and I have learned to cope, so guess this one will also be one that goes down easy.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    What assumptions?
    You assume we are safe from attack. We are not. But I understand your position given your assumption.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post

    Let's go thru this one step at a time:

    1. You say you like tyranny and I agree with you that you do. We have an agreement.

    Wrong, I said I like efficiency and conservation, which you see as tyranny.



    2. You sound a lot like Chicken Little.
    Your post seems it was written by an idiot.


    3. We have used the "evil" lightbulbs for a century and not one person has died using them.
    Millions of people have suffered and some have died from our air pollution.

    4. The war in Iraq was not over oil. That is a falsehood.
    It most certainly was as was spelled out by the president's task force before we invaded them. It sure wasn't because they were a threat to us now was it?

    5. If you even wanted oil, we could get it right here in the United States, but tyrants don't want us to drill and refine for oil or gas.
    We passed peak oil in the US in 1971. We have never produced as much oil as in that year, no matter what party was in control of the government.

    6. I'm guessing that you support battery powered cars as opposed to using gasoline. Well, which uses more energy from the power plants, my "evil" lightbulbs or the battery powered cars? Don't you see the dichotomy of the left's position?
    I support battery powered cars charged with solar panels and wind mills.

    7. This is not about energy and health.
    The hell it isn't!
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm sure this has already come up in this thread, but I'm curious how many of the cons complaining about the tyrannical light bulb energy standards know that this is a Bush policy, and that energy standards have been in place since Reagan, I believe.
    Signed I believe in 2007.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wrong, I said I like efficiency and conservation, which you see as tyranny.
    Tyranny - Oppressive power exerted by government. Yep! You like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your post seems it was written by an idiot.
    Ah, now that is humorous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Millions of people have suffered and some have died from our air pollution.
    Please tell me the name of one person who died using or was near incandescent lightbulb. Or, please tell me the name of one person who died next to a power plant where the cause of death was the usage of incandescent lightbulbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It most certainly was as was spelled out by the president's task force before we invaded them. It sure wasn't because they were a threat to us now was it?
    Please prove this. Show me the words of President Bush where he said that the war was about oil for the United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We passed peak oil in the US in 1971. We have never produced as much oil as in that year, no matter what party was in control of the government.
    That may be true. It is difficult to exceed a prior peak with restraints on exploration, drilling, and refining. If you could run the 100 yard dash in 10 seconds, I bet you would not exceed that speed if you had a ball and chain tied to your leg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I support battery powered cars charged with solar panels and wind mills.
    I see. How much will that cost the consumer compared to what gasoline could be if we explored, drilled, and refined right here in the U.S.? Again, you want to impoverish the entire U.S. Not a good idea. Battery cars are here. They aren't selling many, but they are here. Which solar or wind power station should I stop at to charge my 100 mile battery? Which century will they be available?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The hell it isn't!
    No, it really is not about energy and health. It is about destruction of capitalism and freedom. It's all about power, aka tyranny. You guys cannot sell your idea to the American public. You know better than they do and you will cram all of these tyrannical ideas down peoples' throats even if they don't want it.

    FREEDOM!!!

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