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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

1Perry said:
No, only after the people demanded it.
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One of the benefits of a representative government with a regulatory framework Good point!
 
LesGovt said:
Of course, environmentalists do not live by this creed. Stop it!!
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Can't speak for everyone, but I do. As I've said before, if everyone used as little energy as I use, we would not have a global warming crisis.
 
Catawba said:
"97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming."

If you had a heart problem, would you go with the 97% of experts that said you needed an operation, or the 3% who said it was no problem, you'll be just fine?
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Depends -- how many of the 97% are getting big money to say it. I had two doctors in an emergency room tell me I had an acute appendicitis... I didn't have a temperature, I wasn't puking, my white blood cell count wasn't elevated but they wanted to operate anyway. I walked out of the hospital with my appendix and that was in 1993... I still have it today. So 100% of the doctors told me I needed an operation.... :lamo
 
Catawba said:
If everyone used as little energy as I do, we would not have a CO2 problem.
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Sure. Sure. Sure. And your proof of this is what?
 
Ockham said:
Depends -- how many of the 97% are getting big money to say it. I had two doctors in an emergency room tell me I had an acute appendicitis... I didn't have a temperature, I wasn't puking, my white blood cell count wasn't elevated but they wanted to operate anyway. I walked out of the hospital with my appendix and that was in 1993... I still have it today. So 100% of the doctors told me I needed an operation.... :lamo
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Wasn't that the plot to an episode of Malcolm in the Middle? lol
 
Ockham said:
Depends -- how many of the 97% are getting big money to say it. I had two doctors in an emergency room tell me I had an acute appendicitis... I didn't have a temperature, I wasn't puking, my white blood cell count wasn't elevated but they wanted to operate anyway. I walked out of the hospital with my appendix and that was in 1993... I still have it today. So 100% of the doctors told me I needed an operation.... :lamo
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OK, you believe scientists and doctors are all conspired against you. Got it!
 
Catawba said:
One of the benefits of a representative government with a regulatory framework Good point!
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Especially if you ignore the Constitution. Good point!
 
Catawba said:
Only where they are not causing a problem for health and the environment.
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So you admit your statement was incorrect. Thanks.
 
Lets just cut to the chase. Nobody actually cares that they get to use the old janky lightbulbs. This whole thing is just an excuse for Republicans to go around ranting about how they don't believe in global warming/science.
 
LesGovt said:
Sure. Sure. Sure. And your proof of this is what?
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The passive solar house I built in 1984 that has used 60% less energy than average for each year since, I use no air-conditioning, I walk to work, and for occasional long distance travel I have used a car that gets at least 50 mpg since 2001, I organically grow most of my own food, and I use high efficiency stove, refrigeratory, hot water heater, dryer, and lightbulbs.

Soon I will have my new solar panels hooked up which will produce 1.5 kw of power and they will pay for themselves in 7 years.

How does that compare with how energy efficient you are???
 
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LesGovt said:
Especially if you ignore the Constitution. Good point!
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Show me when the SC found the new lightbulb standards to not be constitutional? You do know who the rule of law in this country charges with Constitutional interpretation, correct?
 
LesGovt said:
So you admit your statement was incorrect. Thanks.
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Not at all. Let me guess, you don't believe in regulations to protect public health and the environment?
 
Catawba said:
The passive solar house I built in 1984 that has used 60% less energy than average for each year since, I use no air-conditioning, I walk to work, and for occasional long distance travel I have used a car that gets at least 50 mpg since 2001, I organically grow most of my own food, and I use high efficiency stove, refrigeratory, hot water heater, dryer, and lightbulbs.

Soon I will have my new solar panels hooked up which will produce 1.5 kw of power and they will pay for themselves in 7 years.

How does that compare with how energy efficient you are???
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Sorry, but your word is not proof. Try again.
 
Catawba said:
Show me when the SC found the new lightbulb standards to not be constitutional? You do know who the rule of law in this country charges with Constitutional interpretation, correct?
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All three branches are to follow the Constitution. I have checked Article I, section 8 and I find no clause of authority to set standards for lightbulbs. Maybe you could provide us with a source where anything even similar was proposed by one of the authors of the Constitution, where it is mentioned in the Federalist Papers, or in one of the ratifying conventions. The opposite can be found over and over again.
 
LesGovt said:
All three branches are to follow the Constitution. I have checked Article I, section 8 and I find no clause of authority to set standards for lightbulbs. Maybe you could provide us with a source where anything even similar was proposed by one of the authors of the Constitution, where it is mentioned in the Federalist Papers, or in one of the ratifying conventions. The opposite can be found over and over again.
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So it is you, and not the Supreme Court, the Constitution specifies is responsible for Constitutional interpretation. That's good to know. Thanks for straightening us all out on that. LOL!
 
Catawba said:
Not at all. Let me guess, you don't believe in regulations to protect public health and the environment?
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Sorry, but you did say that we cannot **** in our back yards. You just admited that we could. Soooooooo, you have admitted that you were wrong with your first statement.
 
Catawba said:
So it is you, and not the Supreme Court, the Constitution specifies is responsible for Constitutional interpretation. That's good to know. Thanks for straightening us all out on that. LOL!
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Well, I can think for myself. Where do you find the authority in the Constitution?
 
LesGovt said:
Wiki is a piece of garbage and is often incorrect. When the Constitution was explained to the members of the ratifying conventions, what did they say about the Necessary and Proper Clause?
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Somehow I don't think wiki is wrong about the necessary and proper clause being in the constitution. Now it has been a while since I read the federalist papers, but the clause was part of the constitution that was ratified, so I think they were for it lol. The clause was put in place because the founders knew that they would not be able to determine every possible scenario that the government would face in the future, issues like global warming.
 
What surprises me is that no one has mentioned energy independence in the whole discussion. Constitutional and liberty concerns aside, these light bulbs do increase energy efficiency. Energy efficiency is part of the path to national energy independence from foreign sources; something we can all get behind.
 
LesGovt said:
All three branches are to follow the Constitution. I have checked Article I, section 8 and I find no clause of authority to set standards for lightbulbs
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To regulate Commerce ... among the several States

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To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers
 
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