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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What a crock of baloney! We have lived for a century using lightbulbs and not one person has ever died because of that usage.

    As for C.A.F.E. standards, you are correct. I don't believe that we need a tyrannical government telling us what we can and cannot drive. Also, while we're at it, I believe that the tyrants should allow oil companies to drill and refine oil and gas in ANWAR and other places currently off limits. Also, I don't favor the tyrants of Washington lying to us about being able to keep our current insurance if we want and then entice businesses to drop providing coverage by making the fine very low. And, while you have stirred me a bit, I am against the tyrants of Washington spending like drunken thieves and then wanting to raise our taxes to pay for their irresponsible actions. I could go on for another hour, but, instead, I think I will head off to bed. I will leave the lights off in the hall so I don't kill anyone. Sheesh!
    If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.
    Let's go thru this one step at a time:

    1. You say you like tyranny and I agree with you that you do. We have an agreement.

    2. You sound a lot like Chicken Little.

    3. We have used the "evil" lightbulbs for a century and not one person has died using them.

    4. The war in Iraq was not over oil. That is a falsehood.

    5. If you even wanted oil, we could get it right here in the United States, but tyrants don't want us to drill and refine for oil or gas.

    6. I'm guessing that you support battery powered cars as opposed to using gasoline. Well, which uses more energy from the power plants, my "evil" lightbulbs or the battery powered cars? Don't you see the dichotomy of the left's position?

    7. This is not about energy and health. This is about tyranny and control over people's lives. People, like you, want to dictate your tyranny on Americans. It's really no more difficult to understand than that. Now, either you are a dupe or you believe this Chicken Little scenario. So what do you do? You use our tax money to subsidize your pet industries, i.e alterative fuels, which are more expensive than fossil fuels. Next, you attempt, and in many cases succeed, in stopping production of fossil fuels. The result is that fossil fuel (aka gasoline) prices rise due to supply and demand. Next, you tyrannize the auto industry into building cars that only you want and to Hell with other Americans. As you do so, you increase the cost of automobiles by all the extra equipment that has to go on those cars. Next, you want to do away with cars powered by gasoline. So you want battery cars which uses more energy that your "evil" lightbulbs and not only has the price of cars risen, but so has the price of lightbulbs.

    What is the theme here? Is it to have a clean environment? Not really. If lightbulbs are so evil, battery powered cars would be evilx10. No, this is about destroying the American economy so that capitalism, free enterprise, and freedom die and are replaced by socialist-liberals who believe they know better than the rest of us as to how we should live our lives.

    You tell us what we can drive, what lightbulb to use, what we can eat, and the list is ever-expanding. It is time to end this liberal madness.

    If the mercury lightbulbs are truly better, then they should be marketed as such and Americans should have the choice to purchase them or the "evil" lightbulbs. That is how freedom works. Tyranny dictates that you must purchase the tyrants' lightbulb.

    Now, what is the upshot of this tyranny. Did you notice how prices continue spiraling upward and we have not even talked about government spending? What happens to Americans? The poor become poorer. The lower middle class become poor. The middle class loses its standard of living. And Al Gore becomes a multi-millionaire while you enslave many more Americans to the nanny state teat.

    So what is your relief? Oh, yes, take more people off of the income tax rolls since they are now poor and soak the rich with higher and higher taxes.

    As the closing scene of Braveheart says: FREEDOM!!

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When production of electricity for wasteful use of energy has an adverse effect on others in our community.
    It does not. Provide more electricity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its the same reason you don't have the "freedom" to pollute the water for downstream users.
    It is an excuse to control and to bully. It is also an excuse to reward political donors. It is tyranny. This is how it begins. And this is where we are today.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If your lack of concern for conservation affects me and my offspring then I will seek to stop you. Its that simple. You need to do a little research of the harmful health effects of coal fired emissions. As far as your desire to continue to unnecessarily waste gasoline, my son risked his life on multiple occasions in Iraq to make it safe for big oil to exploit. 5,000 US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives in Iraq as part of our energy program, so don't talk to me about your "freedom" to unnecessarily waste energy.
    This is the way it always is with tyrants. You will not escape the tyranny you so eagerly promote.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Speaking of tyranny, let's repeal The Patriot Act first, then fight over light bulbs.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Speaking of tyranny, let's repeal The Patriot Act first, then fight over light bulbs.
    What are your assumptions? Do you believe the US no longer requires the ability to identify and track terrorists? Does the US Constitution no longer require that the nation defend itself?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What are your assumptions? Do you believe the US no longer requires the ability to identify and track terrorists? Does the US Constitution no longer require that the nation defend itself?
    Over 800,000 Americans now with security clearances spying on Americans.
    TSA daily violating the 4th Amendment.
    I don't see a fleet of fishing boats filled with screaming Arabs off the coast.

    Are you really saying that you think TPA doesn't violate the Constitution?

    I am more afraid of fishing in the rain than a terrorist. But, go lock yourself in your home and continue to forfeit your rights and freedoms in the name of a false illusion of safety.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    This is going off topic but the government does have an obligation to protect the country. It's one of the few things they are supposed to do. It can't come at the expense of our rights though. There are ways to do it without making citizens give up their rights but the government doesn't have the will to do it.

    Hint. Israel doesn't search every passenger but yet their planes don't get hijacked.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is going off topic but the government does have an obligation to protect the country. It's one of the few things they are supposed to do. It can't come at the expense of our rights though. There are ways to do it without making citizens give up their rights but the government doesn't have the will to do it.

    Hint. Israel doesn't search every passenger but yet their planes don't get hijacked.
    I liked your post with one caveat. Israel uses profiling as a large part of its screening. Profiling is a large loaded weapon and should be used with extreme care. Also the way TSA conducts its screening causes a large bottleneck of people all in a compact space to board various flights. That to me, is a far more dangerous place than actually being on a plane.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Over 800,000 Americans now with security clearances spying on Americans.
    TSA daily violating the 4th Amendment.
    I don't see a fleet of fishing boats filled with screaming Arabs off the coast.

    Are you really saying that you think TPA doesn't violate the Constitution?

    I am more afraid of fishing in the rain than a terrorist. But, go lock yourself in your home and continue to forfeit your rights and freedoms in the name of a false illusion of safety.
    I understand your assumptions. That is sufficient to understand your position. I disagree with you.

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