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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You are doing it right now.
    You didn't answer the question.

    The world isn't black and white. It's not a yes/no question. What would you consider reasonable measures that I should have to take to reduce how much I pollute the air you breathe?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You didn't answer the question.

    The world isn't black and white. It's not a yes/no question. What would you consider reasonable measures that I should have to take to reduce how much I pollute the air you breathe?
    Well the question wasn't directed towards me but I'm just wondering why it's O.K. for you to use all this power to run your computer but it's not O.K. for me to use a smaller amount to run my lightbulb?

    Computers do get more efficient. Slowly people turn to them but initially they are too expensive for most. The government doesn't demand you buy these more efficient computers right off. There is no reason the same couldn't have been done with lightbulbs.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Well the question wasn't directed towards me but I'm just wondering why it's O.K. for you to use all this power to run your computer but it's not O.K. for me to use a smaller amount to run my lightbulb?

    Computers do get more efficient. Slowly people turn to them but initially they are too expensive for most. The government doesn't demand you buy these more efficient computers right off. There is no reason the same couldn't have been done with lightbulbs.
    Trillions of dollars in debt and the federal government is passing laws telling people what lights bulbs they can and cannot use.

    This would be hard to sell as satire, though a Kafka might make use of it.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Well the question wasn't directed towards me but I'm just wondering why it's O.K. for you to use all this power to run your computer but it's not O.K. for me to use a smaller amount to run my lightbulb?

    Computers do get more efficient. Slowly people turn to them but initially they are too expensive for most. The government doesn't demand you buy these more efficient computers right off. There is no reason the same couldn't have been done with lightbulbs.
    No, there isn't some different method of building computers that results in a substantial energy savings while keeping the same performance. The two situations are not comparable.

    But you don't get this. You can't seem to think in ways other than absolutes. We could still light every home in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now, with no loss in performance (amount of light produced). We can't run every computer in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now and maintain computer performance.

    Unlike what Rush Limbaugh et al. have been telling you, the purpose of environmental regulations is not to reduce your quality of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Trillions of dollars in debt and the federal government is passing laws telling people what lights bulbs they can and cannot use.

    This would be hard to sell as satire, though a Kafka might make use of it.
    A significant reduction in electrical load saves money on upgrading and maintaining electrical infrastructure as well as economic and health damage caused by pollution.

    Trillions of dollars in debt and you guys are freaking the **** out over having to change light bulbs even though it will save a ton of money for everyone.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, there isn't some different method of building computers that results in a substantial energy savings while keeping the same performance. The two situations are not comparable.

    But you don't get this. You can't seem to think in ways other than absolutes. We could still light every home in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now, with no loss in performance (amount of light produced). We can't run every computer in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now and maintain computer performance.

    Unlike what Rush Limbaugh et al. have been telling you, the purpose of environmental regulations is not to reduce your quality of life.



    A significant reduction in electrical load saves money on upgrading and maintaining electrical infrastructure as well as economic and health damage caused by pollution.

    Trillions of dollars in debt and you guys are freaking the **** out over having to change light bulbs even though it will save a ton of money for everyone.
    If you need to be told which light bulb you should use then I guess the Federal government knows what it's doing. It's certainly makes it appear that they are interested in saving money despite all the trillions to the contrary so perhaps, to them, this law was worth it.

    Perhaps they should start passing laws which would ration their spending. Some real laws.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, there isn't some different method of building computers that results in a substantial energy savings while keeping the same performance. The two situations are not comparable.
    Typical response and one I dismiss. If you are so concerned about energy useage and the pollution it creates put your computer away.

    But you don't get this. You can't seem to think in ways other than absolutes. We could still light every home in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now, with no loss in performance (amount of light produced). We can't run every computer in America using less than half the electricity we use to do it now and maintain computer performance.
    There is a loss in performance and there are many people who will have a hard time spending $10 each for lightbulbs. You are simply wasting time on your computer right now. It's not somehow a necessity. Turn it off.

    Unlike what Rush Limbaugh et al. have been telling you, the purpose of environmental regulations is not to reduce your quality of life.
    Another lame ass response that I've long ago learned to dimiss.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Typical response and one I dismiss. If you are so concerned about energy useage and the pollution it creates put your computer away.



    There is a loss in performance and there are many people who will have a hard time spending $10 each for lightbulbs. You are simply wasting time on your computer right now. It's not somehow a necessity. Turn it off.



    Another lame ass response that I've long ago learned to dimiss.
    Really? The CFL doesn't produce the same amount of light for a lower electrical cost?

    Prove that.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? The CFL doesn't produce the same amount of light for a lower electrical cost?

    Prove that.
    What if it does? If you are so concerning with energy usage, like I said, turn your computer off. Also, what if I don't much care for the added Mercury in a CFL bulb? Why do your concerns trump mine?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If I want to pay more for a lightbulb, and pay more money for the electricity to run that lightbulb I should be able to do it. Why the **** is the government getting involved in legislation about lightbulbs?
    In other words, why should they not let you make stupid decisions if you want to make stupid decisions? Because those stupid decisions are having an adverse effect on the rest of us.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In other words, why should they not let you make stupid decisions if you want to make stupid decisions? Because those stupid decisions are having an adverse effect on the rest of us.
    So would the added Mercury from the acceptable bulbs with Mercury in them.

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