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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you believe that land is somehow better off after it's been wrecked by a mining operation? That's what it appears you're trying to say.
    If I wanted to say that I would do so.

    The point for me is, why? This is not a matter of freedom. If the government bans an obsolete technology because it's horribly inefficient they're not harming American freedom, they're removing an horribly inefficient tech from the marketplace. That's all. It's no different than banning a faulty child carseat. There are standards that must be met. If you can't meet them, tough for you.
    Or faulty helmets, mattresses, etc. The consumer is stupid and the government must make these decisions for them. I get it. But what we see happening is that the government can make decisions which will benefit their supporters, and themselves, by enacting laws which are not necessarily beneficial to the public interests. They will have to buy light bulbs made exclusively from company A, for example, rather than company B.. And that can apply to any product once the concepts become publicly acceptable.

    This thinking that the Federal government will act altruistically and not act in their own self interests is a common enough mistake, and one that is repeatedly made despite their history. Chip O'Neil (I think it was) once said that "All politics is local", but that is changing. Federal politicians are now vying one part of the country against the other, workers against each other, classes against each other, and so on. They have become more powerful than the individual States and local power has diminished accordingly.

    The philosophies and experiences of the Founders is now being ignored and the US is becoming like any of those problematic countries who are also making all the decisions for their people. And you appear to be encouraging this trend.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If I wanted to say that I would do so.
    Good. Cause that would be stupid.
    Or faulty helmets, mattresses, etc. The consumer is stupid and the government must make these decisions for them. I get it.
    Only person saying that is you. I'm saying somethings need to be phased out because they suck and are in no way beneficial to our society. In fact, they are harmful. Wasting energy is harmful to our society because that energy doesn't come through clean methods. The old bulbs are basically a waste of American energy. Insisting on their use is foolish and boardline stupid.
    But what we see happening is that the government can make decisions which will benefit their supporters, and themselves, by enacting laws which are not necessarily beneficial to the public interests. They will have to buy light bulbs made exclusively from company A, for example, rather than company B.. And that can apply to any product once the concepts become publicly acceptable.
    As I've said above, the old light bulbs are terribly inefficient. The government isn't banning equal products, they aren't even banning a product at all. They're simply saying meet efficiency standards. If the old bulbs can't do that, tough.
    This thinking that the Federal government will act altruistically and not act in their own self interests is a common enough mistake, and one that is repeatedly made despite their history. Chip O'Neil (I think it was) once said that "All politics is local", but that is changing. Federal politicians are now vying one part of the country against the other, workers against each other, classes against each other, and so on. They have become more powerful than the individual States and local power has diminished accordingly.
    First... we are the government. The government is not some foreign power trying to destroy us. We buy our oil from those people. The real threat is when people stop actually thinking for themselves and relinquish their god-given reason to others so those folks can shape it for them.

    Phasing out old tech is a good thing. Having standards is a good thing. To link lower standards and old tech to freedom is not reasonable thing to believe.

    The philosophies and experiences of the Founders is now being ignored and the US is becoming like any of those problematic countries who are also making all the decisions for their people. And you appear to be encouraging this trend.
    This quote is an example of what I've written above. We elected our politicians to do what's in our best interest. If you disagree, you have the right to do so.

    And by the way, the founding fathers decided what was best for the people they represented as well. They certainly didn't asked everyone for their input on the Declaration of Independence or the Consititution.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    So GILL

    You going to address this, namely how you blnatantly lied about my post, or are you going to pretend like you never made that argument rather then own up to being a liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Did anyone argue that they don't? In fact we were discussing the issue of mercury, particularly why it was not analogous to leaded gasoline.

    The Gill School of Debate. Can't win an argument? Pretend someone said something, disprove it and declare victory.



    You know, I can actually cite what I was replying to. You really should wrap your deceit in better clothing.

    Note what I was replying to:



    Hmmm. Since when were incandescent CLFs?

    Gill, try to fail less often. You're embarrassing the forum.

    I get you don't really have any skills here, but try to at least work on lying better. I know exactly what I replied to. And Bad was asking specifically about incandescent, not CLFs. So you saying I said CFLs have filaments when I was not talking about CFLs is not only serious dishonesty, but a really pathetic attempt to get a revenge hit on me.



    True, but obvious, blatant fabrications meant to get revenge hits does. You clearly took the time to search what I wrote, read the post and then cited it. You have no excuse to say you didn't read what I was replying to. Therefore, the sole conclusion is here is you deliberately removed context, lied about what I was talking about and then attacked me on saying something I never did. That is a serious sign of hate.



    See above. I'm not the one who deliberately lies about someone's post, completely removes the context and then bashes them for something they never said. You are.

    Watch: you're going to flee from this thread after I pointed out how you are not only a spiteful person, but a spiteful liar. You're going to pretend like you never made that argument rather then own up to being a liar.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm saying the land is just as good after being reclaimed as it was before being mined.
    Really? You have samples of material showing the same ppm of pollutants that match pre-mi

    Btw:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...059650620ning?

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    This lightbulb legislation is just another sign of how tyrannical our government is becoming. This type of legislation is not needed, and certainly not wanted by me. I have to remember to go to Lowes, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, and Ace Hardware tomorrow and buy out their supply of the bulbs we use. The last Congress had too many freedom-hating numbskulls in it. Too bad that too many are left in this Congress.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So GILL

    You going to address this, namely how you blnatantly lied about my post, or are you going to pretend like you never made that argument rather then own up to being a liar?
    I will admit I missed the reference to incandescent bulbs. If you want to call that lying, feel free.

    As to embarrassing the forum, you have the monopoly on that. No other poster here is as obnoxious and rude to other members as you are.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't see how the government is limiting your choice, you're still completely free to choose whatever lightbulbs you want.
    ...just so long as they are expensive, and made by friends of the one term Marxist president Obama.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I will admit I missed the reference to incandescent bulbs.
    Despite reading my post twice.

    If you want to call that lying, feel free.
    How did you read my post twice, especially AFTER I pointed out I did not say CFLs had filaments and STILL think I said CFLs had filaments? You went as far as to directly quote what I posted, yet you completely missed twice that I was directly replying to a question on incandescent?

    I think you know you got caught. And you're just hoping I'm not going to bring this up elsewhere as to why you are completely untrustworthy.

    As to embarrassing the forum, you have the monopoly on that. No other poster here is as obnoxious and rude to other members as you are.
    Hardly. Arrogance coupled with a general tendency to be correct is tolerated by the educated folk here. What isn't tolerated is arrogance and the tendency to be wrong, such as you.

    Next time you try to get a revenge hit on me, cloak your deceit in better cloth. That attempt was embarrassing.

    Btw, where are your data points showing pollutant PPM are the same as before the mining?
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    ...just so long as they are expensive, and made by friends of the one term Marxist president Obama.
    How much of a right to pollute your air do I have?
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How much of a right to pollute your air do I have?
    You are doing it right now.

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