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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

I can play that card too. I didn't spend all that time in the military defending the rights of others to have them stripped away.

RIGHTS! Come on man. Get real. What "right" do you think you have to buy crappy lightbulbs?

Why do you even care? The new ones are cheaper. The even have old fashioned incandescent lightbulbs that meet the standards now. The only reason left to want the old ones is if you actually WANT to destroy the environment and waste energy to prove some misguided point...
 
when I see an issue that is actually eroding a freedom, I will protest.
Lightbulbs ain't it....
I didn't spend all that time in the military defending the rights of others to trivialize over lightbulbs...there are important issues to consider...try spending time on something important for a change...

I only spent three years in the military as a volunteer which is a short time compared to those who make it a career.

Lightbulbs "ain't it."
C.A.F.E standards "ain't it."
Welfare programs "ain't it."
Medicaid "ain't it."
Medicare "ain't it."
Social Security "ain't it."
National Endowment for the Arts "ain't it."
The Affordable Health Care Act and its mandates "ain't it."
Redistribution of wealth "ain't it."
Illegal immigration "ain't it."
Taking property from one taxpayer to give it to another more lucrative taxpayer "ain't it."
Over regulating people "ain't it."
Over taxing people "ain't it."

Which ones have I listed incorrectly? In other words, for you, which ones "are it?"
 
RIGHTS! Come on man. Get real. What "right" do you think you have to buy crappy lightbulbs?

Why do you even care? The new ones are cheaper. The even have old fashioned incandescent lightbulbs that meet the standards now. The only reason left to want the old ones is if you actually WANT to destroy the environment and waste energy to prove some misguided point...

Why should you or the government care what I do?
 
good, you fight for this issue, I'll wait til my govt tries to force me to waste money and pollute, instead of saving money and the environment at the same time.....:2wave:

The government wastes money all the time. If one truly believes in freedom, the object should be to persuade those who disagree with you to agree with you and volunteer to stop using or doing something you object to. I understand that today this is a novel concept and one that is all too often not used anymore. What a shame!
 
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I would tell her, since she can save money over the long run by buying more efficient bulbs now.

Why do wingnuts hate poor people so much?

Sure that's no problem. The kids won't mind missing a few meals.
 
good, you fight for this issue, I'll wait til my govt tries to force me to waste money and pollute, instead of saving money and the environment at the same time.....:2wave:

That is the funny thing about being a soldier. You don't pick what issues you fight for and which ones you don't.

What you do fight for is your countries freedom. Freedom as individuals. Freedom as a country.
 
for you, which ones "are it?"
My list of "IT", for starters...

GWB, Dick Cheney starting the Iraq war and killing off thousands of our own with nothing to show for it.
Our congresspersons personally enriching themselves at the expense of the rest of us.
Wall street being the new face of organized crime with congress ignoring the crimes.
Congress not securing our borders, allowing the hiring of illegal aliens, thus increasing our unemployment.
The corporate world that sends jobs overseas.
Foreign aid in the billions which is simply taking money from our poor and middle class of our rich country, and giving it to the rich in poor countries.
The GOP which can't seem to come up with an electable candidate, or manage to have one but still choose someone else...

and we have people worrying about LIGHT BULBS ???
 
Sure that's no problem. The kids won't mind missing a few meals.
send her address, I'll send her a box of light bulbs....
It isn't like we spend a lot of money on light bulbs. Look at where we spend a lot and ask what we can do to reduce that load.
Heating and air conditioning are big loads, drying clothes is a big load, as is hot water.
Light bulbs don't burn out that often, compared to our big loads, light bulbs are peanuts...
 
send her address, I'll send her a box of light bulbs....
It isn't like we spend a lot of money on light bulbs. Look at where we spend a lot and ask what we can do to reduce that load.
Heating and air conditioning are big loads, drying clothes is a big load, as is hot water.
Light bulbs don't burn out that often, compared to our big loads, light bulbs are peanuts...

The peanuts of today are the big loads of tomorrow. Yeah it is light bulbs today, what will it be 20 years from now?
 
when I see an issue that is actually eroding a freedom, I will protest.
Lightbulbs ain't it....
I didn't spend all that time in the military defending the rights of others to trivialize over lightbulbs...there are important issues to consider...try spending time on something important for a change...

This isn't even a good argument, in fact, its pathetic. You don't defend rights by picking and choosing which is important and which is worth giving away. A defender of rights defends all rights, not those decided as important to that individual. Don't even pretend you are a protector of rights again. You have shown over and over again, in thread after thread, you care little for just about all of them.
 
This isn't even a good argument, in fact, its pathetic. You don't defend rights by picking and choosing which is important and which is worth giving away. A defender of rights defends all rights, not those decided as important to that individual. Don't even pretend you are a protector of rights again. You have shown over and over again, in thread after thread, you care little for just about all of them.
You are now inventing things, aka LYING.....
I don't agree with you, so you bring out the labels. OK, you are more patriotic than me, feel better? If not, take a laxative because you are full of $%IT...
 
good, you fight for this issue, I'll wait til my govt tries to force me to waste money and pollute, instead of saving money and the environment at the same time.....:2wave:

The ends justify the means? Never was worth much and I guess thats why it is insulted so easily and readily.
 
You are now inventing things, aka LYING.....
I don't agree with you, so you bring out the labels. OK, you are more patriotic than me, feel better? If not, take a laxative because you are full of $%IT...

I didn't create ****. You said you were in the military protecting rights. You were clearly in the military to do **** as it clearly was NOT to protect the rights of people.

And its not about being something as worthless as being patriotic, its about being caring for the rights of people.
 
My list of "IT", for starters...

GWB, Dick Cheney starting the Iraq war and killing off thousands of our own with nothing to show for it.
Our congresspersons personally enriching themselves at the expense of the rest of us.
Wall street being the new face of organized crime with congress ignoring the crimes.
Congress not securing our borders, allowing the hiring of illegal aliens, thus increasing our unemployment.
The corporate world that sends jobs overseas.
Foreign aid in the billions which is simply taking money from our poor and middle class of our rich country, and giving it to the rich in poor countries.
The GOP which can't seem to come up with an electable candidate, or manage to have one but still choose someone else...

and we have people worrying about LIGHT BULBS ???

I take it I can remove the illegal immigration issue as we appear to be in agreement to stop it. Btw, isn't it the Executive Branch that enforces the laws? We currently have laws that could prevent this problem. We just need someone to enforce them.

I guess for you the rest on my list are ones that "ain't it." Wow!
 
Why should you or the government care what I do?

Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us. If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...
 
Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us. If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...

So you want to regulate my consumption? Hello comrade.
 
What could possibly trivialize freedom more than equating it to wanting to use out of date lightbulbs?
It seems that some people are unsuited for freedom and liberty. We call those people liberals.
 
So you want to regulate my consumption? Hello comrade.

Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...
 
So are you an anarchist? Or what is your standard exactly for when individual preference gives way to the overall well being of society?
Who gets to decide what the "overall well being of society" is? You?

How about I decide what is best for me and you decide what is best for you?
 
Because we all share the same pool of energy and the same environment. If you use up more energy that impacts all of us.

Bad bad argument. Energy itself can't be used up. I think you mean resources, but that almost just as bad since the use of resources in the market will arise alternatives as the end comes near. Now of course with the government paying the bills and paying for research that goes out the window.

If you harm the environment, that impacts all of us...

We are talking about light bulbs so at best you have secondary relationship as I said before. As they are not the source of the damage you have no authority for your statement.
 
It seems that some people are unsuited for freedom and liberty. We call those people liberals.

Why would you even want to buy the old lightbulbs? They have cheaper ones that last longer now, and they're better for the environment to boot... They even have old fashioned incandescent ones that meet the standard if you're feeling nostalgic or something... I honestly can't come up with one reason somebody would want to buy the old ones except to make some kind of misguided point about wanting to destroy the environment or something. Can you explain why you want to?
 
Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...

You're right. I am pouring mecury into the stream.

The government should not regulate the products I buy. If they want to regulate, charge the companies the cost for disposal and clean up. Then the product would become more expensive, and people will buy the cleaner cheaper solution. But don't ban my choices.
 
Who gets to decide what the "overall well being of society" is? You?

How about I decide what is best for me and you decide what is best for you?

What? We live in a democracy. We all decide what rules we want to live under together...
 
How many tea partiers does it take to screw up a light bulb?
None. Screwing up light bulbs is a job for General Electric and the Congress.

I just bought six replacement bulbs for the six I bought five months ago. Those bulbs are guaranteed to last two years, as long as you don't actually turn them on.So including today's purchase I have spent one hundred dollars plus to buy twelve, not very good light bulbs --for one year's worth of light. I hate Congress.
 
Well of course. You think you can just screw up everybody's environment? What gives you the right to do that to other people? You don't own the environment...

He isn't harming the environment by using resources. He is affecting your ability to merely use those resources. To act as if they are the same is a fallacy.
 
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