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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The House rears it's bat**** crazy head again. Who is for more efficient light bulbs? Consumers, and yes, even the light bulb manufacturers. Who is against it? Energy companies who want to charge you for using more electricity, and who have House Republicans in their back pocket. But did we ever think they didn't?

    These Republicans who want to empower the Kochs of the world cite Constitutionality of the new law. However, since the Commerce Clause gives Congress exclusive power over trade activities among the states, this law is indeed Constitutional. Not only that, but will save consumers 81 billion dollars a year, which is money that won't be going into the pockets of energy companies. No wonder Republicans hate this law.

    I predict that this bill will die in the Senate, and deservedly so.

    Article is here.
    you liberal you.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

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    It was under government orders right? Because there is no way anyone would have done this on their own.
    Absolutely not. It was under the company long term saving policy, instituted by the Chief Engineer. It was only one of many policies that were instituted. We instituted a computer system to maintain kilowatt hours under X, because the electric company got slap happy about billing insane amounts for exceeding a set number of kilowatt hours, called peak demand billing.

    We had things programmed to automatically shut down if we started approaching that number, and that and all of our other programs saved the company roughly $2 Million a year.

    There was a time when Americans didn't need to be spoon fed what was good for them.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Okay, my last sentence looks like I think we should be told every detail, I don't. The Myth of American Freedom™ is openly disappearing now. Perhaps if the Feds did their job instead of meddling in the daily affairs of the citizens we wouldn't be in the lousy shape that this country is now.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    So your saying you were too stupid to pick out your own light bulbs and you need government to do it for you.........
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    How many bureaucrats does it take to change a light bulb?

    A follow-up question might be, "How many politicians does it take to convince a nation of over 300 million people that they don't know which is the best light bulb to buy?"

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    You know one of the reasons that China is kicking our as in terms of economic growth? Its not lower taxes that's for sure, its that if something is their country's best interest, they mandate it. For example, one of the reasons why their cities air is so noxious is all the 2 stroke mopeds, so the Chinese government mandated that all mopeds sold and licensed would have to be either 4 stroke or electric. They did not have a bunch of nutters in their "people's congress" that argued against the mandate and for giving consumers the choice of buying a 2 stroke moped. They knew 2 stroke mopeds belched out copious amounts of noxious fumes, they knew it was bad for the country, so they just made a decision and stuck with it.

    Now, I am not saying that we should adopt some fully totalitarian government like China's. What I am saying is that is our competition. Our competition does not give a rat's ass about consumer choice when that choice is not in the best interest of their country. Our competition will not go to war to benefit its domestic energy industry. Our competition does not argue about consumer choice when setting fuel efficiency standards. They are not going to go to war just so Mr. Wang can have the choice of driving a gas guzzling SUV. They don't give a **** about Mr. Wang being able to drive a yuppie status symbol when its not in the best interest of their country. Anytime our competition sees an opportunity to increase energy efficiency and thus their economic competitiveness they mandate it. Folks, that is our competition right now, that's how they roll, and that's one of the reason's why they are kicking our ass in terms of economic growth.

    Once again, I am not arguing in favor of a totalitarian government like China's. I am just saying that if China thought they could save energy by banning the sale of incandescent bulbs, they would do it, and they would sit back and laugh at how stupid we were for arguing about it.
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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Okay, my last sentence looks like I think we should be told every detail, I don't. The Myth of American Freedom™ is openly disappearing now. Perhaps if the Feds did their job instead of meddling in the daily affairs of the citizens we wouldn't be in the lousy shape that this country is now.
    It's disappearing, Polotick, and not too many noticed even noticed, or cared. They figured there must be some positive payoff somewhere down the line. It was all incremental.

    If it's any consolation, though it probably isn't, the same thing is happening in all the democracies. We're voting the concept of freedom and responsibility, which are inextricably joined, obsolete.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You know one of the reasons that China is kicking our as in terms of economic growth? Its not lower taxes that's for sure, its that if something is their country's best interest, they mandate it. For example, one of the reasons why their cities air is so noxious is all the 2 stroke mopeds, so the Chinese government mandated that all mopeds sold and licensed would have to be either 4 stroke or electric. They did not have a bunch of nutters in their "people's congress" that argued against the mandate and for giving consumers the choice of buying a 2 stroke moped. They knew 2 stroke mopeds belched out copious amounts of noxious fumes, they knew it was bad for the country, so they just made a decision and stuck with it.

    Now, I am not saying that we should adopt some fully totalitarian government like China's. What I am saying is that is our competition. Our competition does not give a rat's ass about consumer choice when that choice is not in the best interest of their country. Our competition will not go to war to benefit its domestic energy industry. Our competition does not argue about consumer choice when setting fuel efficiency standards. They are not going to go to war just so Mr. Wang can have the choice of driving a gas guzzling SUV. They don't give a **** about Mr. Wang being able to drive a yuppie status symbol when its not in the best interest of their country. Anytime our competition sees an opportunity to increase energy efficiency and thus their economic competitiveness they mandate it. Folks, that is our competition right now, that's how they roll, and that's one of the reason's why they are kicking our ass in terms of economic growth.

    Once again, I am not arguing in favor of a totalitarian government like China's. I am just saying that if China thought they could save energy by banning the sale of incandescent bulbs, they would do it, and they would sit back and laugh at how stupid we were for arguing about it.
    The US government has indeed mandated the hell out of the auto industry. Open the hood of your car, the evidence is right there.

    More importantly, the people are mandating it in they way they purchase. More and more are buying hybrids and so on.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's disappearing, Polotick, and not too many noticed even noticed, or cared. They figured there must be some positive payoff somewhere down the line. It was all incremental.

    If it's any consolation, though it probably isn't, the same thing is happening in all the democracies. We're voting the concept of freedom and responsibility, which are inextricably joined, obsolete.


    It was incremental until 9/11. Then Americans flocked to the Alter of False Safety by the millions. Now it can be openly rampant under the guise of being good for us.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Once again, I am not arguing in favor of a totalitarian government like China's. I am just saying that if China thought they could save energy by banning the sale of incandescent bulbs, they would do it, and they would sit back and laugh at how stupid we were for arguing about it.
    They would also manufacture them for pennies.

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    Re: Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You know one of the reasons that China is kicking our as in terms of economic growth? Its not lower taxes that's for sure, its that if something is their country's best interest, they mandate it. For example, one of the reasons why their cities air is so noxious is all the 2 stroke mopeds, so the Chinese government mandated that all mopeds sold and licensed would have to be either 4 stroke or electric. They did not have a bunch of nutters in their "people's congress" that argued against the mandate and for giving consumers the choice of buying a 2 stroke moped. They knew 2 stroke mopeds belched out copious amounts of noxious fumes, they knew it was bad for the country, so they just made a decision and stuck with it.

    Now, I am not saying that we should adopt some fully totalitarian government like China's. What I am saying is that is our competition. Our competition does not give a rat's ass about consumer choice when that choice is not in the best interest of their country. Our competition will not go to war to benefit its domestic energy industry. Our competition does not argue about consumer choice when setting fuel efficiency standards. They are not going to go to war just so Mr. Wang can have the choice of driving a gas guzzling SUV. They don't give a **** about Mr. Wang being able to drive a yuppie status symbol when its not in the best interest of their country. Anytime our competition sees an opportunity to increase energy efficiency and thus their economic competitiveness they mandate it. Folks, that is our competition right now, that's how they roll, and that's one of the reason's why they are kicking our ass in terms of economic growth.

    Once again, I am not arguing in favor of a totalitarian government like China's. I am just saying that if China thought they could save energy by banning the sale of incandescent bulbs, they would do it, and they would sit back and laugh at how stupid we were for arguing about it.
    Do you really give a **** what the Chinese think?

    It's the Chinese who are fighting and dying and emigrating to get the freedoms the democracies took for granted. Do you think they prefer being told what light bulbs to put in their lamps or motor scooters they can ride?

    Once these regulations start, and more power rests in the hands of the bureaucrats, do you feel they will somehow magically stop?

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