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Energy Secretary Steven Chu defends light bulb standards as GOP seeks repeal

Gill said:
You should read the thread before quoting an entity like Snopes.

I quoted a recent peer reviewed scientific paper earlier in this thread that shows that broken CFL bulbs release air borne mercury that EXCEEDS government recommendations.

What were you saying about quoting out-of-date information earlier ????
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If you are afraid them, don't use them! No one is forcing you to use CFL's. You do understand that, right?
 
Catawba said:
If you are afraid them, don't use them! No one is forcing you to use CFL's. You do understand that, right?
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Is anyone forcing me to not use incandescent lightbulbs for the future?
 
LesGovt said:
Is anyone forcing me to not use incandescent lightbulbs for the future?
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Nope they are not

They are forcing you to use light bulbs of a certain energy efficiency. If incandescent bulbs meet or exceed that efficiency requirement you can use them to your hearts content
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Nope they are not

They are forcing you to use light bulbs of a certain energy efficiency. If incandescent bulbs meet or exceed that efficiency requirement you can use them to your hearts content
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Aha! I thought the tyrants were banning incandescents and they are.

FREEDOM!!![
 
LesGovt said:
Is anyone forcing me to not use incandescent lightbulbs for the future?
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Nope. The standard was increased by the Bush Adninistration for higher efficiency. I provided a link above to Lowes where you can purchase the new incandescent bulbs cheaply that are 30% more efficient than the old incandescent bulbs, so they lower your power bill too. Are you opposed to a lower power bill? If you are, just send the power company a litlle extra money each month. :sun
 
Catawba said:
Nope. The standard was increased by the Bush Adninistration for higher efficiency. I provided a link above to Lowes where you can purchase the new incandescent bulbs cheaply that are 30% more efficient than the old incandescent bulbs, so they lower your power bill too. Are you opposed to a lower power bill? If you are, just send the power company a litlle extra money each month. :sun
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Sorry, you lost me. Are the new bulbs exactly the same as the old only 30% more efficient? This does not sound correct to me. Please clarify.
 
LesGovt said:
Sorry, you lost me. Are the new bulbs exactly the same as the old only 30% more efficient? This does not sound correct to me. Please clarify.
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No, they are a different kind of incandescent, they are halogen incandescent that are 30% more efficient than the old incandescent type, which meets the new efficiency standards set up under the Bush Administration.
 
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Catawba said:
No, they are a different kind of incandescent, they are halogen incandescent that are 30% more efficient than the old incandescent type, which meets the new efficiency standards set up under the Bush Administration.
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Okay, so I was correct. The tyrants did ban the incandescent bulbs that I prefer. As for saving money, that should be my prerogative. You know it all liberals do not know what I want and you tyrants should cease doing so.
 
LesGovt said:
Okay, so I was correct. The tyrants did ban the incandescent bulbs that I prefer. As for saving money, that should be my prerogative. You know it all liberals do not know what I want and you tyrants should cease doing so.
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Nope, Bush only increased the efficiency standard for light bulbs. If you can make one that meets the standard, you can use it.

Don't follow you on what you mean by saving money should be your perogative? Are you personally for or against saving money?

You consider Bush a liberal and a tyrant do you?
 
LesGovt said:
Okay, so I was correct. The tyrants did ban the incandescent bulbs that I prefer. As for saving money, that should be my prerogative. You know it all liberals do not know what I want and you tyrants should cease doing so.
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Have you used a halogen bulb? They function on the same principle, they're incandescent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wolfram-Halogenglühlampe.png
I want you to take reasonable steps to reduce the amount of pollution you place into the air I breathe. Not all regulation is tyranny.

Admit it: You only "prefer" incandescent bulbs because "liberals" told you that you should switch.
 
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Catawba said:
Nope, Bush only increased the efficiency standard for light bulbs. If you can make one that meets the standard, you can use it.
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As I said, the tyrants banned the bulb that I prefer.

Catawba said:
Don't follow you on what you mean by saving money should be your perogative? Are you personally for or against saving money?
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Just in case you are actually serious, I will address this, but I really am struggling to believe that you actually don't understand this. Do you buy your clothes? If yes, do you buy your clothes from Goodwill Industries or a second-hand store? If not, why not? That would save you money. Do you own a car? If yes, why? It is much less expensive to ride a bicycle? If you don't ride a bicycle, why not? People purchase items they like, want, or need. Some people purchase store brand products because they want to save the dollars. Some people may like the brand names better. For example, any department store has they own brand of shirts and a purchaser may be just fine purchasing them. Another purchaser may desire that the shirts be Ralph Lauren's Polo brand shirts. Are all the people who purchase clothes from a clothing or dept store, own a car, purchase Lauren's Polo brand wrong and should have them banned because their purchaes are more expensive?

Well, the same is true for lightbulbs. Some prefer the older-type bulb over the new ones. I tried the new ones and they did not provide the light that I desired. Now, maybe they have improved them, but they were pieces of garbage. There was no quality to them. They were the store brand while the old bulbs were the name brands. By the way, just in case you are also not familiar with Ralph Lauren's brand, his shirts last forever. The store brands begin to become threadbare after a couple of years. Sometimes it is worth the expense to get quality over cheap. Sometimes, it can be more expensive and the reason you purchase it is simply because you like it.

Now, if you live your life differently, I have no problem with that. You should be free to ride a bicycle, purchase from a second-hand store and wear store brands. Que sera, sera! This is what freedom is about. Tyranny is denying others of something that you don't want others to have even if they disagree with you. The banning of the lightbulbs is tyrannical. The changes in the toilets of a decade or two ago is tyranny. The C.A.F.E. standards are tyrannical. The banning of certain foods is tyrannical. This used to be a free country. Today, it is far from a free country.

Catawba said:
You consider Bush a liberal and a tyrant do you?
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Bush was both a conservative and a liberal. If you think I must support him since I am a conservative, you are sadly mistaken. I think the only people vying for the White House worse than Bush in 2000 and 2004 were Gore and Kerry. A pox on all their houses and on yours for supporting tyranny.

FREEDOM!!!!
 
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Deuce said:
Have you used a halogen bulb? They function on the same principle, they're incandescent.

File:Wolfram-Halogenglühlampe.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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All I can tell you is that I used two different types of new bulbs and hated them. I preferred by old bulbs and I went back to them.

Deuce said:
I want you to take reasonable steps to reduce the amount of pollution you place into the air I breathe. Not all regulation is tyranny.
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I previously asked Catawba to provide me with the name of one person who died because of using an non-halogen lightbulb or where a power plant caused the persons death due to people using any lightbulbs. I did not receive an answer. Would you care to name that person?

Deuce said:
Admit it: You only "prefer" incandescent bulbs because "liberals" told you that you should switch.
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Sorry, but had liberals said what you said here, I would not be having a problem.
 
Misterveritis said:
Your response made no sense.
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Here we go again. WHy is it so difficult for people to read what they themselves have actually wrote.

You said: Some of us prefer to take common sense measures and gather intelligence to prevent our deaths.

I said: Sorry, it's a measure you are going to lose.

What exactly is so difficult to understand there?
 
1Perry said:
Here we go again. WHy is it so difficult for people to read what they themselves have actually wrote.

You said: Some of us prefer to take common sense measures and gather intelligence to prevent our deaths.

I said: Sorry, it's a measure you are going to lose.

What exactly is so difficult to understand there?
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A tad obtuse, but I understand it. Common sense has not been overly common for quite some time.
 
LesGovt said:
As I said, the tyrants banned the bulb that I prefer.
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Take it up with the Bush Administration then. Whatever floats your boat!



Just in case you are actually serious, I will address this, but I really am struggling to believe that you actually don't understand this. Do you buy your clothes? If yes, do you buy your clothes from Goodwill Industries or a second-hand store? If not, why not. That would save you money. Do you own a car? If yes, why? It is much less expensive to ride a bicycle? If you don't ride a bicycle, why not? People purchase items they like, want, or need. Some people purchase store brand products because they want to save the dollars. Some people may like the brand names better. For example, any department store has they own brand of shirts and a purchaser may be just fine purchasing them. Another purchaser may desire that the shirts be Ralph Lauren's Polo brand shirts. Are the people all the people who purchase clothes from a clothing or dept store, own a car, purchase Lauren's Polo brand wrong and should have them banned because they are more expensive?

Well, the same is true for lightbulbs. Some prefer the older-type bulb over the new ones. I tried the new ones and they did not provide the light that I desired.
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I find that hard to believe. You didn't even know what a halogen incandescent bulb was until I explained to you.
Now, maybe they have improved them, but they were pieces of garbage.
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Well don't you think you should try them before making a decision?


The Halogen incandescent bulbs were just developed to meet the new standards
 
Catawba said:
Take it up with the Bush Administration then. Whatever floats your boat!
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Catawba said:
No, I will take it up here. I have free speech and I object to the tyranny and tyranny-lovers, as yourself.

Catawba said:
I find that hard to believe. You didn't even know what a halogen incandescent bulb was until I explained to you.
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I confess that I am not a lightbulb expert. I have never pretended to be one. All I know is that I bought new bulbs that were to last many times longer than the old ones and they were crappy bulbs.

Catawba said:
Well don't you think you should try them before making a decision?

The Halogen incandescent bulbs were just developed to meet the new standards
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First, whether I try them or not is still not the issue. You really don't understand the concept of free enterprise and freedom, do you?
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LesGovt said:
Catawba said:
No, I will take it up here. I have free speech and I object to the tyranny and tyranny-lovers, as yourself.



I confess that I am not a lightbulb expert. I have never pretended to be one. All I know is that I bought new bulbs that were to last many times longer than the old ones and they were crappy bulbs.
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First, whether I try them or not is still not the issue. You really don't understand the concept of free enterprise and freedom, do you?
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Sure I do. Let's go back to the horse and buggy. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Sure I do. Let's go back to the horse and buggy. LOL.
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No, a bicycle is less costly to purchase, maintain, and to fuel. And, it improves your health.
 
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LesGovt said:
No, I will take it up here. I have free speech and I object to the tyranny and tyranny-lovers, as yourself.
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You found me out, I was the one in the Bush Administration to craft the the energy efficiency standards for light bulbs! LOL!



I confess that I am not a lightbulb expert. I have never pretended to be one. All I know is that I bought new bulbs that were to last many times longer than the old ones and they were crappy bulbs.
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I suggest then you try them before griping.


First, whether I try them or not is still not the issue. You really don't understand the concept of free enterprise and freedom, do you?
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As Deuce has already clearly pointed out, your freedom to be wasteful with your energy usage doesn't extend to polluting the air we breathe.

Even the early American colonies had regulations that people must **** outside the fort, even though folks no longer had the "freedom" to **** within the fort.
 
LesGovt said:
No, a bicycle is less costly to purchase, maintain, and to fuel. And, it improves your health.
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And it helps support our troops! I commend your bike riding!
 
1Perry said:
Here we go again. WHy is it so difficult for people to read what they themselves have actually wrote.

You said: Some of us prefer to take common sense measures and gather intelligence to prevent our deaths.

I said: Sorry, it's a measure you are going to lose.

What exactly is so difficult to understand there?
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Your statement still makes no sense. Why is it so difficult for you to explain what you mean?

Do you mean that gathering intelligence on our enemies and potential enemies does not make sense to you?
Do you have difficulties with intelligence gathering in general?
Do you have difficulties with gathering intelligence where one of the enemies may be a US citizen?
Are you any less injured, or are you any less dead because the Islamic terrorist used to have a western name and lives in the US?
Or is this an ill-conceived, poorly thought out knee-jerk reaction?

Here we go again. You made the statement. You get to explain it. Repeating it does not constitute explanation.
 
Catawba said:
If you are afraid them, don't use them! No one is forcing you to use CFL's. You do understand that, right?
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No one claimed they are afraid of CFL bulbs, but feel free to continue your weak attempts at Straw Man fantasies.

I merely posted that peer reviewed papers refute Snopes. Since you put so much faith in peer review, I'm sure you will stop quoting Snopes as some kind of scientific proof.
 
LesGovt said:
All I can tell you is that I used two different types of new bulbs and hated them. I preferred by old bulbs and I went back to them.



I previously asked Catawba to provide me with the name of one person who died because of using an non-halogen lightbulb or where a power plant caused the persons death due to people using any lightbulbs. I did not receive an answer. Would you care to name that person?



Sorry, but had liberals said what you said here, I would not be having a problem.
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Can you name one person who died from smoking? How do you know they wouldn't have developed lung cancer anyway?
If everyone stopped using incandescents and replaced them with more efficient bulbs, there'd be a lot less coal used in this country. Pollution from coal has health risks, which would be reduced. Coal mining has deaths involved, which would be reduced. CO2 emissions would be reduced, which would slow global warming, which would reduce the resulting crop stresses. Fewer people would starve.
 
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