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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I agree that a combined approach is needed.

    Look at what happened to Minnesota. They spent all their time playing the partisan blame game and now their credit rating has been downgraded. Honestly, do partisan hacks have a single neuron to understand what this means for our nation's strength and credibility?

    Stop pointing fingers and start cooperating. The time to act is now. And I swear to god, if either party in congress ****s this up, I will automatically never consider voting for them again in my lifetime no matter who is running.
    Seconded. Motion carried.

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh that's a good plan, we're facing some financial problems, let's legalize people getting high and the debasement of women! Wow, you are just full of good ideas!!
    Here I thought you supported economic liberty. I guess it appears there is only so far you will go before you desire a return to the busybody ways that you decry of our current nanny state. You really are no better than the liberals that you constantly whine about.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    How about we eliminate SS, Medicare and Medicaide and lower taxes by 20%. across the board?
    I have a few questions that I would like you to answer.

    -What will the economic consequences be when over $700 billion of disposable income disappears with an economy that is already suffering from a deficiency in consumer demand?
    -How will senior citizens afford medical insurance?
    -What changes will doctors make now that they would not be reimbursed now for caring for the poor and the elderly?
    -How will your destroying both programs affect the demands consumers have for the pharmaceutical and other health care related industries?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Huge Surplus, 55%+ Reduction in the budget... economic boom....
    I guess in the fantasyland you live in the government can remove $2 trillion in spending and not see a noticeable difference in consumer behavior. Maybe if you had even an inkling of understanding of basic economics, then you would understand that your plan would lead this country into an economic contraction even worse than the one we went through in 2008.

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    You know what I like about this forum? Almost no one is middle ground or based in reality. You have right-wing regular ole Jared Lee Loughners like Mr. V, and then you have your pot-smoking, ultra-PC, "gets all the facts straight from Comedy Central" liberals like Haymarket.


    Hey, only in America.
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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    There is no medicaide and SS reform.

    Oh that's a good plan, we're facing some financial problems, let's legalize people getting high and the debasement of women! Wow, you are just full of good ideas!!

    How about we eliminate SS, Medicare and Medicaide and lower taxes by 20%. across the board?

    Huge Surplus, 55%+ Reduction in the budget... economic boom....

    Nah... that's crazy talk, how would democrats get votes then?
    Eliminating a program like Medicare doesn't magically create wealth. People will still have to get healthcare. The money will just go through an insurance company instead of the Medicare program.

    Medicaid elimination? You're a ****ing monster.
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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Eliminating a program like Medicare doesn't magically create wealth. People will still have to get healthcare. The money will just go through an insurance company instead of the Medicare program.

    Medicaid elimination? You're a ****ing monster.
    Sounds good to me... the systems currently rigged so let's kill it and start over. When people had to pay real money for healthcare it didn't cost as much... wonder why? Oh yea, I already mentioned the systems rigged. Sorry.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or in this case, politicians are merely behaving as the game allows, and the game are the voters. We get what we deserve when we allow politicians into office that behave like this. So many people are overdependent on the Government that our budget problems will never end till the issue is forced by collapse. All of this is just... delaying the inevitable collapse of our economic foundation.
    Your reply to obvious bias, implied corruption in the government, and the practical sacrifice of social programs meant to aid people was "Don't hate the player, hate the game"?

    Outstanding...

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    IMO, this is not a viable plan. The mandatory spending programs are the largest source of the nation's long-term imbalances. Failure to reform them accomplishes very little. Imposing significant tax hikes and slashing military spending is not a substitute for addressing the cost imbalances associated with those programs, particularly Medicare. Any fiscal gains that it would achieve in terms of stabilizing and lowering the nation's debt would likely be temporary. Those gains would eventually be overwhelmed by the continuing growth in mandatory program spending.

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sounds good to me... the systems currently rigged so let's kill it and start over. When people had to pay real money for healthcare it didn't cost as much... wonder why? Oh yea, I already mentioned the systems rigged. Sorry.
    Medicare runs with less overhead by percentage than any private insurance company. Would do even better if it were allowed to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies.

    Healthcare costs more now because people live longer and we use more advanced technology to keep them living longer. It used to be cheaper... when people died at 63 instead of 83. You're grossly oversimplifying the situation, but I'm sure you knew that.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    hey, senator conrad,

    if you don't take on the entitlements now, exactly where do you expect us to be, oh, say, five years from now?

    i mean, you ARE the BUDGET chair, senator conrad

    did you see the usa today piece---social security and the m's accounted an ADDITIONAL five point three TRILLION dollars of EVEN MORE unfunded liability in the year two thousand ten ALONE?

    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

    senator?

    where will we be ONE year from now, chairman conrad, if the programs aren't reformed?

    senator conrad, leadership?

    anyone?

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    Re: Senate Democrats draft debt-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And, what, reduced revenue due to tax cuts (and recession) combined with high military spending haven't added to the problem?

    We need a combined approach. Let the temporary tax cuts expire, eliminate unnecessary military programs and GTFO of the rest of the world's business, and Medicare/SS reform. Doing it this way means that no single change has to be as drastic.

    Also useful: Legalize marijuana and prostitution, tax those activities to generate revenue and simultaneously reduce all the other crime that is associated with them, which in turn reduces prison costs...
    But...but...but...massive government spending creates job!

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