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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    The death penalty is crude and barbaric and has no place in modern society and what's more government shouldn't have the authority to take a life, at least of a citizen. I say life should be the one truly "inalienable" right. Also, my uncle was shot to death while trying to break up a bar fight, so don't pull the "you'd say differently if something happened to one of your friends or relatives" card on me.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    The death penalty is crude and barbaric and has no place in modern society and what's more government shouldn't have the authority to take a life, at least of a citizen. I say life should be the one truly "inalienable" right. Also, my uncle was shot to death while trying to break up a bar fight, so don't pull the "you'd say differently if something happened to one of your friends or relatives" card on me.
    The "State" isn't. The scumbag that committed the crime volunteered for it.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    our soft hearted posters think that an American in another country with a valid visa is somehow the same as an illegal. If one of our citizens was an illegal in say Botswana and raped and murdered some girl I couldn't care less if he wasn't allowed to see our consul. On the other hand if someone is on a valid visa or entered lawfully that is different-which would have been the case with a Mexican with proper paperwork here in the states
    You are completly missing the point. The U.S. signed and ratified a treaty. The U.S. has violated that treaty. It is pretty simple, but many knee-jerk "Conservatives" who have no idea about the notion of a "big-picture" really don't care about the law... pathetic...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Didn't we allow that one kid to get caned in the Phillipene's or somewhere like that some years ago for vandalizing cars?

    If the situations were reversed and an American citizen did this in another country, to one of their citizens, you bet your ass I'm ok with them carrying out an execution.
    It was Singapore, and President Clinton pressured the Singaporean government to reduce the sentence, which they did. Also, from the beginning, this kid had access to U.S. consular personnel in Singapore.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    We did do it properly. The treaty has not gone through Congress and the states, therefore you cannot throw out a court ruling on its behalf. There's nothing more to be said.

    Any argument about foreign policy implications is nonsense. Congress had seven years to do it. Clearly, the implications are not grave.
    According to the Constitution, all treaties signed and ratified are the law of the land and all judges in the states are bound to uphold them. This is CLEARLY stated in Article VI Clause 2.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The "State" isn't. The scumbag that committed the crime volunteered for it.
    That's retarded. The government kills the person.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's not up to the state to assert his rights for him. He has to do it. People waive their rights all the time.
    The treaty required the receiving nation to inform him of his right under the Vienna Convention. Do you have any evidence that Texas in fact did that?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    That's retarded. The government kills the person.
    Only in response to the persons actions. The State doesn't just randomly decide "You're gonna die today".

    First, a crime of a serious nature must occur, then evidence is collected, a case built, a trial held. Followed by an appeals process. But the ball starts rolling when the crime is committed.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The treaty required the receiving nation to inform him of his right under the Vienna Convention. Do you have any evidence that Texas in fact did that?
    Who gives a fcuk at this point.

    Fact, he'd been here since he was 2 YEARS OLD. Illegally I might add. He's dead.

    No civilized country is going to retaliate on behalf of this scumbag, that's just a bunch of anti-DP hand wringing hoping to push their agenda forward.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Only in response to the persons actions. The State doesn't just randomly decide "You're gonna die today".

    First, a crime of a serious nature must occur, then evidence is collected, a case built, a trial held. Followed by an appeals process. But the ball starts rolling when the crime is committed.
    I understand, but I still believe that the government should have no right to take life away. They can take liberty away, because that's a necessity. You can't have violent criminals in society. But life is a fundamental right, or it should be. The death penalty frankly disgusts me.

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