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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The right to contact a foreign consulate is in the Constitution?
    Read up on the Treaty Clause.

    They should have taught this in middle school in America.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This would be more winning if you had said service members. Journalists. LOL. Yes, I do truly feel safer with Anderson Cooper on the job.
    I guess you don't care about Faux News' journalists at all.

    Or US embassy workers.

    Or the US commitments to the Vienna Convention.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    We signed and ratified a treaty. The Constitution says that is the law of the land. It's not a loss of sovereignty as many would claim, because our government chose to ratify it. He was denied due process as he would need his foreign consulate. If you were in another country and denied your country's legal support, would you consider that a fair trial?
    Well, his case has been up on appeal for the last 17 years. Obviously, they were all denied so I'm guessing our courts did't see this as being important enough to remand for a new trial.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and here is the problem
    a shame i have to point it out to you

    if the American citizen is INNOCENT in foreign country, he may not be able to access American counsel to get what he deserves - discharge from prison - because we chose not to honor our agreement to abide by he Vienna convention

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I guess you don't care about Faux News' journalists at all.

    Or US embassy workers.

    Or the US commitments to the Vienna Convention.


    Has this happened in a country that is not a dictatorship or in a country that is not hostile to Americans? Texas executed a scumbag on 08 who was denied his ability to see his consulate.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes it is our nation's fault
    our country agreed to the Vienna accords providing for counselor contact for aliens under criminal arrest/indictment
    no matter how guilty he was of a heinous crime, we denied that due process to this alien
    why would we now expect such access to American counsel being granted to American citizens in legal trouble while located in foreign lands
    His rights were not "denied". This is from the article.
    The state argued that Leal -- who has lived in the United States since age 2 -- never revealed his Mexican citizenship at the time of arrest, and his defense team never raised the consular access issue at or before trial.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I guess you don't care about Faux News' journalists at all.

    Or US embassy workers.

    Or the US commitments to the Vienna Convention.
    Vienna Convention? Embassy workers? This was a criminal case, not an invasion. What's funny is, he had more rights afforded to him here than he would have in Mexico (well, except for the right to live once the death sentence was carried out).
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Has this happened in a country that is not a dictatorship or in a country that is not hostile to Americans? Texas executed a scumbag on 08 who was denied his ability to see his consulate.
    No, because even those countries honor agreements they make. America on the other hand...

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    His rights were not "denied". This is from the article.
    Please don't confuse the issue with facts.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    No, because even those countries honor agreements they make. America on the other hand...
    So in other words you are just fear mongering.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Vienna Convention? Embassy workers? This was a criminal case, not an invasion. What's funny is, he had more rights afforded to him here than he would have in Mexico (well, except for the right to live once the death sentence was carried out).
    What the hell does an invasion have to do with this? Non sequitur much?

    Of course you choose to ignore the main points of my post and instead make a silly comparison on how we are not as bad as other countries.

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