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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And the next time an American citizen arrested in a foreign country asks for access to the U.S. Consul, we shouldn't be too surprised if the answer they get back is ' why should we allow you this? Your country doesn't."

    The issue isn't whether or not this piece of crap deserved to be executed. Of course he did.

    The issue is what affect this has on the generally accepted principle that people arrested in a foreign country have the right to talk to a representative of their own country. Christ even Iran allows that.

    But this is a big picture thing that is obviously far beyond the grasp of the Neanderthal Perry and his knee jerk supporters.
    If an American citizen commits a crime in a foreign country, then they should get what they deserve.

    In regard to the OP: I hope the bastard suffered, before he died.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think Texas did the right thing. We shouldn't bow to UN sovereignty. The UN is a hypocritical country club of world leaders with a label.
    Message to the UN. Head'em up and move'em out!

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a few years ago two german nationals were convicted in arizona of some heinous crime and sentenced to be croaked. back then arizona was using the needle but still had as an option the single most painful method of execution every used in the United States-cyanide gas. One of the mopes chose that to make a statement how barbaric execution was. what really upset his supporters was Arizona made him enter the gas chamber wearing only an adult diaper claiming that a prison uniform could retain some of the toxic chemicals. So Herr Prisoner not only was painfully croaked he was humiliated as well

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    But because we're America we can get away with it?

    Big picture, people. Try looking at it once in a while.
    Big picture is this guy got the justice he deserved. The fact that he was a Mexican national is tangential as best.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
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    God Bless Texas for doing the right thing.

    This was expected.The same thing happened in 2008. Some piece of **** illegal murdered someone.Bush and all the other globalist pieces of **** pissed bitched and moaned that his consular rights were violated and tried to stop Texas from executing that piece of ****. Texas metaphorically gave the globalist pieces of **** the middle finger. The supreme court agreed with Texas and globalist pieces of **** lost.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Convicted in '94 and executed seventeen years later...god bless our appeals system.

    But yeah, the argument against executing him is bull from top to bottom. You can't throw out a lower court ruling JUST because the President is working on changing the law to give domestic effect to a global treaty obligation, but hasn't even won legal here approval yet. If Congress wanted to prevent executions that supposedly "damaged" foreign policy concerns, the law would have been passed by now.

    It's seven years since the World Court ruled that the U.S. was in violation of the Vienna Convention. Obviously, Congress did not think the foreign policy implications of executing foreign nationals were important enough to write a law, even though they had SEVEN DAMN YEARS to do it. It would be different if the man actually had a chance of overturning his conviction if he were to consult with the foreign consuls at this point... but he doesn't. The case is over. No one in Mexico is disputing his guilt.

    If you want to pass the Vienna treaty, that's fine. But staying this guy's execution because of it? Senseless.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So much for Obama stopping it and its "irreparable harm".
    You know, we could have done this properly, and still executed the slug. But the way we went about it, by breaking a treaty, means that the rights of no American overseas is going to be guaranteed now. This was an utterly stupid thing to do.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, we could have done this properly, and still executed the slug. But the way we went about it, by breaking a treaty, means that the rights of no American overseas is going to be guaranteed now. This was an utterly stupid thing to do.
    We did do it properly. The treaty has not gone through Congress and the states, therefore you cannot throw out a court ruling on its behalf. There's nothing more to be said.

    Any argument about foreign policy implications is nonsense. Congress had seven years to do it. Clearly, the implications are not grave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The issue is what affect this has on the generally accepted principle that people arrested in a foreign country have the right to talk to a representative of their own country. Christ even Iran allows that.
    Incorrect.

    The issue is, do we postpone this particular man's execution because he was not given the right to speak with a Mexican consul?

    And the answer is no. It wouldn't overturn his conviction, he's been in the country since he was two, and you can't toss out a court ruling for an international treaty that has not been ratified in Congress yet.

    If you want to pass the treaty, that's fine. But you can't stay this execution just because the President is working on changing the law. That has far graver constitutional implications.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    But because we're America we can get away with it?

    Big picture, people. Try looking at it once in a while.
    I thought it was "profiling" if law enforcement looked into someone's nationality.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, we could have done this properly, and still executed the slug. But the way we went about it, by breaking a treaty, means that the rights of no American overseas is going to be guaranteed now. This was an utterly stupid thing to do.
    Texas did the same thing in 08. Any Americans over seas suffering in countries that are not dictatorships and countries not hostile to Americans as a result as Texas giving the middle finger to globalist pieces of ****? Is that zip, zero, zilch, nada?
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