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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He is in Beijing and knows what is going on in the mind of the Chinese government? Few Chinese actually know that.

    And you want to sacrifice an innocent person from Texas because of something the State government of Texas might or might not have done incorrectly?

    That is really a morally bankrupt position. Now you are getting into genuine revenge against innocents rather than showing any interest in justice. Sooner or later people like yourself show their true colors.
    Just pointing out the potential results of Texas's breaking of the Vienna Convention...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Just pointing out the potential results of Texas's breaking of the Vienna Convention...
    Actually that's not quite true. You said
    I hope the person they will do it to is from Texas... it WOULD be fitting...
    That is revenge, not justice. You are wanting an innocent person to suffer because "it WOULD be fitting".

    You see nothing wrong with that attitude, huh?

    That's what often happens when otherwise ordinary people get a little bit of power. They can then easily learn to hate people because of their religion, the color of their skin or the place where they were born, and act accordingly.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So SCOTUS is complicit in the US violating its treaty commitments and thus will share part of the responsibility when other states throw this in the face of the US and deny Consular access or violate other clauses of the treaty...
    Perhaps sometime in the near future we'll find out that an American citizen who has lived his entire life in Mexico violently rapes a 14 year old girl, then sodomizes her, then forces her to perform oral sex, kills her, brags about the ordeal to his friends, laughs about how she wouldn't die, boasts about her being a virgin, is captured when those friends turn him in, confesses the crime, is tried, convicted, appealed, convicted, and sentenced before we learn he didn't get a chance to talk to the US consul.

    Maybe that will happen and we'll be truly sorry for screwing things up in Texas.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Doesn't matter...
    I think it does. Someone here said, apparently they didn't know he was a Mexican national. Someone else also point out that SCOTUS has ruled on this matter. So why is there an argument?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So SCOTUS is complicit in the US violating its treaty commitments and thus will share part of the responsibility when other states throw this in the face of the US and deny Consular access or violate other clauses of the treaty...
    That is the job of SCOTUS, to determine if the actions of other branches of government are legal. In this case, they said the treaty is not binding because enabling legislation was not passed by Congress.

    How many times does this need to be pointed out to you ???

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Perhaps sometime in the near future we'll find out that an American citizen who has lived his entire life in Mexico violently rapes a 14 year old girl, then sodomizes her, then forces her to perform oral sex, kills her, brags about the ordeal to his friends, laughs about how she wouldn't die, boasts about her being a virgin, is captured when those friends turn him in, confesses the crime, is tried, convicted, appealed, convicted, and sentenced before we learn he didn't get a chance to talk to the US consul.

    Maybe that will happen and we'll be truly sorry for screwing things up in Texas.
    More likely going to happen with a person potentially guilty of a far lesser crime in a place like China and they will cause delays and inconveniences as a result of this...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That is the job of SCOTUS, to determine if the actions of other branches of government are legal. In this case, they said the treaty is not binding because enabling legislation was not passed by Congress.

    How many times does this need to be pointed out to you ???
    How many times does it need to be pointed out to YOU that Article VI of the Constitution binds all properly ratified treaties on all judges in the United States and that all such treaties are the LAW OF THE LAND. What part of that do YOU not understand. Obviously, the decision was the result of activist justices. Read the rationale in the dissent - it is far more compelling and consistent with the intent of the Founders.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    How many times does it need to be pointed out to YOU that Article VI of the Constitution binds all properly ratified treaties on all judges in the United States and that all such treaties are the LAW OF THE LAND. What part of that do YOU not understand. Obviously, the decision was the result of activist justices. Read the rationale in the dissent - it is far more compelling and consistent with the intent of the Founders.
    They are NOT the law of the land unless enabling legislation is passed by Congress.

    It WAS NOT !!! Simply ratifying a treaty does not make it law.

    If Congress ratified a treaty that stated the US no longer had the right of a free press, do you actually think that would be binding and legal......... or should the SC overrule it?

    If they were activist judges, then most of the judges were activists, liberal and conservative.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    How many times does it need to be pointed out to YOU that Article VI of the Constitution binds all properly ratified treaties on all judges in the United States and that all such treaties are the LAW OF THE LAND. What part of that do YOU not understand. Obviously, the decision was the result of activist justices. Read the rationale in the dissent - it is far more compelling and consistent with the intent of the Founders.
    At least one less time than it needs to be pointed out to YOU that while your reading and interpretation of the law is surely 'awesome', state lawyers and the Supreme Court have ruled that the states are within their rights...therefore...much as you want it to be the case, apparently it doesnt apply the way you believe it applies. Sadly, this particular scumbag that raped a 16 year old girl and savagely crushed her with rocks...this particular scumbag that had been in the US since he was 2 years old...sadly...he was not able to effectively employ this dodge to avoid the death penalty. Most 'thinking' people recognize that if you come here at 2, live here for at least two decades, and then rape and murder someone, and if you recieve a fair trial like any other US citizen, then you probably are not entitled to suddenly claim you are a mejican national to avoid the death penalty.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They are NOT the law of the land unless enabling legislation is passed by Congress.

    It WAS NOT !!! Simply ratifying a treaty does not make it law.

    If Congress ratified a treaty that stated the US no longer had the right of a free press, do you actually think that would be binding and legal......... or should the SC overrule it?

    If they were activist judges, then most of the judges were activists, liberal and conservative.
    According to Article VI of the Constitution, ratifying a treaty DOES make it law... READ the Constitution!
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