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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He did NOT have a right to a Mexican lawyer and no one here is saying the end result for him would have been any different. He had the right to consult the Consulate/embassy of his country in the US (I believe there is a Mexican consulate in Houston) and they could have provided assistance, but NOT do anything to circumvent U.S. law. Mexican lawyers are not licensed to practice in Texas.

    The reality is that a right that any foreign national in any country has WAS violated. Even China and the DPRK abide by this treaty ... sad the U.S. (at least the State of Texas) doesn't...
    What is this constant "no one here is saying" ****? What do you think this thread is about, agreeing that the bastard should die? No, it's not. It's about whiners wanting to cling to a notion that he wasn't given the chance to call the Mexican Embassy for help, cause he's Mexican. And what do you think that means? It means these whiners think he could have gotten off easier, somehow with their help. It's the same old **** from the anti-death penalty crowd.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What is this constant "no one here is saying" ****? What do you think this thread is about, agreeing that the bastard should die? No, it's not. It's about whiners wanting to cling to a notion that he wasn't given the chance to call the Mexican Embassy for help, cause he's Mexican. And what do you think that means? It means these whiners think he could have gotten off easier, somehow with their help. It's the same old **** from the anti-death penalty crowd.
    Put the shoe on the other foot, though. Let's say an American citizen was sentenced to death in Russia, but was not allowed to contact the US Embassy. The Right-wing (maybe not you, but Conservatives in general) would be shouting the loudest about his legal rights being trampled on, etc.


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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    here is a blog entry explaining further the danger caused by the continuing illegal actions on the part of the State of Texas
    BS......it's been pointed out multiple times by me and others that Texas did nothing wrong or illegal. The SC has ruled multiple times that the killers failure to ask for his rights did not change the outcome of the trial and Texas was under no obligation to retry him.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Put the shoe on the other foot, though. Let's say an American citizen was sentenced to death in Russia, but was not allowed to contact the US Embassy. The Right-wing (maybe not you, but Conservatives in general) would be shouting the loudest about his legal rights being trampled on, etc.
    Wasn't the guy here since he was two?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Pretty sure the main thrust about that writers opinion is that the Texas decision to follow through with the sentence given to a rapist/murderer following due process and appeals will give China another excuse to continue doing what China already does. It doesnt mean China would suddenly stop doing what it does...just that they would have another thing to throw back in our face. Id take that comparison any day of the week if China were to actually give people rights, fair trials, and an open book on appeals.
    Except that due process in accordance with his rights was NOT provided. China actually DOES provide consular access, as does Burma and the DPRK.

    And Ludahai...you yourself have said it...if the sentence was commuted to life...who would care? Would this have ever even come up? The fact is that the rapist/murderer has been in America since he was TWO. The consul notification argument is nothing but a dodge to avoid the death penalty.
    Except that the US is in violation of a treaty it signed and ratified and expects others to follow. How can the U.S. now expect others to follow this (or any other treaty) when the US has just ignored it?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What is this constant "no one here is saying" ****? What do you think this thread is about, agreeing that the bastard should die? No, it's not. It's about whiners wanting to cling to a notion that he wasn't given the chance to call the Mexican Embassy for help, cause he's Mexican. And what do you think that means? It means these whiners think he could have gotten off easier, somehow with their help. It's the same old **** from the anti-death penalty crowd.
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I am not anti-death penalty. The US is in violation of a treaty - that is what I am concerned about. If Texas had followed the correct procedures and found him guilty and the evidence was overwhelming, I would have no problem with frying the guy...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    BS......it's been pointed out multiple times by me and others that Texas did nothing wrong or illegal. The SC has ruled multiple times that the killers failure to ask for his rights did not change the outcome of the trial and Texas was under no obligation to retry him.
    And you think SCOTUS is ALWAYS right? I hate so-called 'conservative' judicial activism as much as liberal...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Except that due process in accordance with his rights was NOT provided. China actually DOES provide consular access, as does Burma and the DPRK.

    Except that the US is in violation of a treaty it signed and ratified and expects others to follow. How can the U.S. now expect others to follow this (or any other treaty) when the US has just ignored it?
    Due process was afforded to this individual identical to ANY US citizen. What wasnt done was a man that raped and murdered a 16 year old child that had been in the US since he was 2 years old was not identified as a foreign national and told he could meet with the mejican consul. Blame his attorney. The state of Texas arrested a criminal...Mirandized him, provided him a lawyer, tried him, convicted him, and sentenced him to death. The absolute reality is that if he had been sentenced to life imprisonment you wouldnt even know his name nor give half a squirt about him OR his rights.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wasn't the guy here since he was two?
    Doesn't matter...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And you think SCOTUS is ALWAYS right? I hate so-called 'conservative' judicial activism as much as liberal...
    When it comes to the final say on legal matters in this country, then yes...the SCOTUS is ALWAYS right. And that 'judical activism' simply states that the sentence and trial is not invalidated if lack of consul notification adversely impacted the outcome of the trial.

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