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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    without him giving us this information, we could only know he wasn't here legally. Do we just guess on which foreign consulate to give him access to?
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    The point is moot according to the Supreme Court - Texas didn't even have to provide him access to his consul. So what is the argument
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

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    For those who don't think the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (to make sure some people aren't confused which multi-lateral treaty we are talking about) is important.
    It seems these people were carrying passports, identified themselves as Americans, and were treated accordingly. No one, as far as I can tell, has yet said this treaty does not have merit but these people you mentioned were obviously foreigners in a foreign country and immediately identified themselves as such. The Mexican who murdered that girl did nothing of the kind.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Who said that this is a "get out of jail free" card? This isn't Monopoly!
    Tell that to the people who trying to make a huge case out of the fact he was told he could call a consulate.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

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    Tell that to the people who trying to make a huge case out of the fact he was told he could call a consulate.
    I haven't seen a single person say that he should be released from jail. The Mexican government didn't call for it nor did the ICJ decision. Perhaps a few Aztlan or La Raza yahoos called for it, but since when do any of us take THEM seriously?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    here is a blog entry explaining further the danger caused by the continuing illegal actions on the part of the State of Texas
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    here is a blog entry explaining further the danger caused by the continuing illegal actions on the part of the State of Texas
    Ah, c'mon Ludahai! A blog post?

    In fact you're much brighter than he is.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    You know, the stupid assumption here is that the rapist had no clue he had the right to a lawyer and that a lawyer from another country would some how know better than a lawyer from this country as to his rights. Does anyone really doubt the outcome would have been different? He raped and killed a child. He got much better than he deserved.

    I just don't get how this man's rights are violated. We have more rights for suspects than any country in the world...probably combined. What could have possibly been different if he knew he had the right to a Mexican lawyer?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ah, c'mon Ludahai! A blog post?

    In fact you're much brighter than he is.
    Except that he is in Beijing and he knows what he is talking about in this instance... it will happen sooner or later... and I hope the person they will do it to is from Texas... it WOULD be fitting...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You know, the stupid assumption here is that the rapist had no clue he had the right to a lawyer and that a lawyer from another country would some how know better than a lawyer from this country as to his rights. Does anyone really doubt the outcome would have been different? He raped and killed a child. He got much better than he deserved.

    I just don't get how this man's rights are violated. We have more rights for suspects than any country in the world...probably combined. What could have possibly been different if he knew he had the right to a Mexican lawyer?
    He did NOT have a right to a Mexican lawyer and no one here is saying the end result for him would have been any different. He had the right to consult the Consulate/embassy of his country in the US (I believe there is a Mexican consulate in Houston) and they could have provided assistance, but NOT do anything to circumvent U.S. law. Mexican lawyers are not licensed to practice in Texas.

    The reality is that a right that any foreign national in any country has WAS violated. Even China and the DPRK abide by this treaty ... sad the U.S. (at least the State of Texas) doesn't...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Except that he is in Beijing and he knows what he is talking about in this instance... it will happen sooner or later... and I hope the person they will do it to is from Texas... it WOULD be fitting...
    Pretty sure the main thrust about that writers opinion is that the Texas decision to follow through with the sentence given to a rapist/murderer following due process and appeals will give China another excuse to continue doing what China already does. It doesnt mean China would suddenly stop doing what it does...just that they would have another thing to throw back in our face. Id take that comparison any day of the week if China were to actually give people rights, fair trials, and an open book on appeals.

    And Ludahai...you yourself have said it...if the sentence was commuted to life...who would care? Would this have ever even come up? The fact is that the rapist/murderer has been in America since he was TWO. The consul notification argument is nothing but a dodge to avoid the death penalty.

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