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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but the significance of our failure to provide due process to an alien is the precedent it sets for when Americans need access to American counsel when in legal difficulty outside the USA
    of course, from reading this thread, you already knew that
    I absolutely agree. Some people would beg to differ and say that a rapist and a murderer shouldn't have rights. Not necessarily me, but some people..
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not to him
    he would have been executed if complete due process had been afforded

    governor perry used this as a launching pad to the republican candidacy

    Considering the same thing happened almost 3 years ago I seriously doubt that.

    but the significance of our failure to provide due process to an alien is the precedent it sets for when Americans need access to American counsel when in legal difficulty outside the USA
    of course, from reading this thread, you already knew that
    The same thing happened in 08.Other than dictatorships and countries not friendly to Americans have any Americans over seas been screwed as a result of Texas giving the middle finger to globalist pieces of ****?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Considering the same thing happened almost 3 years ago I seriously doubt that.
    in this rare instance i hope you are right and i am wrong
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    The same thing happened in 08.Other than dictatorships and countries not friendly to Americans have any Americans over seas been screwed as a result of Texas giving the middle finger to globalist pieces of ****?
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    governor perry used this as a launching pad to the republican candidacy
    That's false.

    but the significance of our failure to provide due process to an alien is the precedent it sets for when Americans need access to American counsel when in legal difficulty outside the USA of course, from reading this thread, you already knew that
    If you are arguing that all Americans should be asked for their citizenship when suspected of a crime there are many who'd agree with you but the Obama Administration is against this "due process".
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    1. The Supreme Court ruled that Texas did NOT have to obey the treaty for the very reason that Congress has not seen fit to pass the enabling legislation.

    2. This criminal (he was convicted after all) was NOT denied due process. He had a complete trial, was well defended - I have heard it said on the news that his own attroney has argued in front of the Supreme Court and was not some fly by night appointee.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    The fact that he screamed “Viva Mexico, Viva Mexico” just as he was getting juiced just makes me more opposed to the dream act. The guy has lived here since he was 2, commits this horrible crime and then makes it clear that his real loyalty has always been to Mexico rather than the US.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ...review what about the case? What purpose would the review have served? Texas never denied the fact that the man never got his consular rights.

    What would that review have unearthed?

    Why postpone the execution to review what you already know? Why not review it after you execute him?
    The ordered review was to assess whether the lack of consular access affected the proceedings. Obviously, you can't do that after you kill him...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

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    For those who don't think the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (to make sure some people aren't confused which multi-lateral treaty we are talking about) is important.

    In 2009, while on assignment for Current TV, my colleague Laura Ling and I were arrested by North Korean soldiers for crossing the frozen Tumen River, which separates the Republic of China (sic) and North Korea. We were imprisoned and isolated from each other for four and a half months. We were repeatedly interrogated, eventually put on trial and sentenced to 12 years’ hard labor. It was only through the extraordinary efforts of the State Department and former President Bill Clinton that we were pardoned and allowed to return home.

    It is difficult to describe the fear that comes with being arrested and detained in a foreign country. The sense of darkness in that first week of North Korean captivity was unbearable. My biggest fear was nobody knowing where I was or what had happened to me. The strained relations between the United States and North Korea only increased my despair.

    In the middle of the second week, though, I was handed a lifeline: a meeting with the Swedish ambassador, who represented U.S. interests and pointed out to North Korea its responsibilities under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. His hard work yielded a meeting no longer than 10 minutes, but the significance is hard to express. I can only mention the sense of security I now had — that someone outside of North Korea was monitoring my case. The prompt consular access, I believe, protected me from any physical mistreatment by my captors. I was allowed to meet with the ambassador three more times. The meetings were my only communication with the U.S. government — the only way for me to ask for help and to deliver messages to my family. I know the importance of what the Vienna Convention provides.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    You know - I'm with those who feel it wrong for this to have happened PURELY on the basis that he's not OUR citizen - we cannot do as we please.

    The reason why I feel this way is because I loath when non-citizens are granted rights, permissions and leniency that I am granted being a citizen - If I feel that others who are not citizens don't fall under our judicial and constitutional umbrella then that should apply to all things: including such an extreme as the death penalty.

    Per the death penalty itself: I oppose it unless it's for mass murder - red handed mass murder.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you want us to believe that tejas did not know that he was a mexican national at any time
    absurd
    without him giving us this information, we could only know he wasn't here legally. Do we just guess on which foreign consulate to give him access to?

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