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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    OK, so judicial activism changed the Constitution... I late liberal judicial activism as well as "conservative" judicial activism
    Eh. It doesn't really change much, and is pretty consistent with their rulings in similar cases.

    This incarnation of the court doesn't take kindly to belated legal challenges based in international law.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Eh. It doesn't really change much, and is pretty consistent with their rulings in similar cases.

    This incarnation of the court doesn't take kindly to belated legal challenges based in international law.
    Sure it changes things... it is an attack on the treaty making power of the President and Senate enshrined in the Constitution...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sure it changes things... it is an attack on the treaty making power of the President and Senate enshrined in the Constitution...
    Why?

    NAFTA was signed into law via a similar procedure.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Why?

    NAFTA was signed into law via a similar procedure.
    The Constitution clearly states that the President signs treaties, the Senate ratifies them and any treaties are bound on all judges in all of the states... what part of that don't you understand

    At least you know understand that the US DID ratify it and you have the right treaty now... lol
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The idea of punishment is intended as a deterrent and we should be learning that as children. That's why we have parking meters, as well as electric chairs. There are consequences to unacceptable social behavior, from the trivial to the serious, and in order to make society as agreeable as possible to all, we have to work within acknowledged and acceptable boundaries, Murdering a 16-year-old girl is widely considered to be outside those established boundaries, and the killer should have been aware of that at the time, just as you and I have to be aware of a No Parking sign.
    Of course, but there is very little evidence that the death penalty is effective at deterring criminals. So even if I put my philosophical position that the government shouldn't have that kind of power aside, I would still be against it on the grounds that it needlessly wastes money. It could also be argued that it violates the constitutional guarantee against cruel and unusual punishment.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what took place was the due process was not ptovided
    if you have evidence/cites to the contrary, please post them
    OK. Earlier you said it was refused, and it's curious why you would make that statement unless it was for obscure political reasons, and now you say it was 'not provided', which indeed it wasn't.

    Why would i offer evidence to the contrary when that's been generally acknowledged to be true?

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    Of course, but there is very little evidence that the death penalty is effective at deterring criminals. So even if I put my philosophical position that the government shouldn't have that kind of power aside, I would still be against it on the grounds that it needlessly wastes money. It could also be argued that it violates the constitutional guarantee against cruel and unusual punishment.
    What wastes money is the time it takes for all appeals to be exhausted. Only the lawyers benefit from that, certainly not the victims or their families.

    It's not unusual if it's common practice and understood what can happen if you commit a murder. In that case it becomes the usual punishment.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Constitution clearly states that the President signs treaties, the Senate ratifies them and any treaties are bound on all judges in all of the states... what part of that don't you understand

    At least you know understand that the US DID ratify it and you have the right treaty now... lol
    If the President has first responsibility then, in this case, Bill Clinton should be held responsible for failing to inform the Mexican government that one of their citizens murdered a 16-year-old American girl.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the President has first responsibility then, in this case, Bill Clinton should be held responsible for failing to inform the Mexican government that one of their citizens murdered a 16-year-old American girl.
    Incorrect. It was the State of Texas holding him and it was their responsibility to tell the SUSPECT of his rights under the treaty in accordance with Article 36 of the treaty.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Incorrect. It was the State of Texas holding him and it was their responsibility to tell the SUSPECT of his rights under the treaty in accordance with Article 36 of the treaty.
    Are all States of the Union now required to ask a person their citizenship whenever they are a suspect in a crime?
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