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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can you please point out where, before or during the trial, this Mexican was "refused home country counsel"? When did that occur?
    He was not informed of his right to be able to contact the Mexican consulate as required under the Vienna Convention.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He was not informed of his right to be able to contact the Mexican consulate as required under the Vienna Convention.
    Are you also claiming he was refused his rights? Are you placing blame on anyone here and, if so, on whom?

    The Mexican? His defense council? The US Attorney General? The media?

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    OK, so judicial activism changed the Constitution... I late liberal judicial activism as well as "conservative" judicial activism
    this is where i think the SC, by its 5-4 decision, got it wrong
    the Constitution defines the criteria for entering into treaties
    the Constitution cannot be trumped by subsequent law
    such as a law requiring the implementing provisions to be effected as a condition of treaty acceptance
    those conflicting provisions of federal law should have been stricken
    another instance where the majority did not get it right ... for now, anyway
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you also claiming he was refused his rights? Are you placing blame on anyone here and, if so, on whom?

    The Mexican? His defense council? The US Attorney General? The media?
    The State of Texas... they held him in custody. It is their responsibility to ensure his legitimate rights are protected...
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The State of Texas... they held him in custody. It is their responsibility to ensure his legitimate rights are protected...
    It is their responsibility to know that he is not an American? As far as they're concerned they read him Miranda Rights and that should be the end of it.

    What indications were there to show he wasn't an American? And is Texas responsible for enforcing Federal treaties?

    It seems, if it was anyones fault, it was that of the murderer for not telling the authorities he was a Mexican and his lawyers for now doing due diligence. Certainly there comes a time when personal responsibility should play a part.

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is their responsibility to know that he is not an American? As far as they're concerned they read him Miranda Rights and that should be the end of it.

    What indications were there to show he wasn't an American? And is Texas responsible for enforcing Federal treaties?

    It seems, if it was anyones fault, it was that of the murderer for not telling the authorities he was a Mexican and his lawyers for now doing due diligence. Certainly there comes a time when personal responsibility should play a part.
    that bolded portion is the area in which we are in agreement

    and we note that the state walks away from its responsibility for the error in affirming due process was provided
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that bolded portion is the area in which we are in agreement

    and we note that the state walks away from its responsibility for the error in affirming due process was provided
    What about it, Justabubba?

    Was access "refused" or it was "not provided".

    Which one is correct?

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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What about it, Justabubba?

    Was access "refused" or it was "not provided".

    Which one is correct?
    what took place was the due process was not ptovided
    if you have evidence/cites to the contrary, please post them
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is their responsibility to know that he is not an American? As far as they're concerned they read him Miranda Rights and that should be the end of it.

    What indications were there to show he wasn't an American? And is Texas responsible for enforcing Federal treaties?

    It seems, if it was anyones fault, it was that of the murderer for not telling the authorities he was a Mexican and his lawyers for now doing due diligence. Certainly there comes a time when personal responsibility should play a part.
    I find it amazing that in the process of investigation and trial, they never found out he was not a citizen. Seems like Texas's justice system has more serious problems if they can't establish such a basic fact.

    And judges are supposed to enforce treaties in accordance with Article VI of the Constitution.

    As for personal responsibility, you mean Texas doesn't have to be responsible for its mistakes? The Vienna Convention makes it very clear that the accused must be informed of his/her rights under the Convention. Texas apparently did not do that. How many people on this thread were actually aware of their rights in other countries under the provisions of this Convention before this? I knew about it -- but that is due to my academic specialty and the fact that I travel in many countries where it helps to know what rights you have - but I would wager the vast majority did not know.
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    Re: Mexican national executed in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What about it, Justabubba?

    Was access "refused" or it was "not provided".

    Which one is correct?
    If he wasn't informed of his rights under the Vienna Convention, it is also a violation of the treaty.
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