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President Obama seeks $3 trillion to $4 trillion in cuts

You thinking is on the wrong side of the tracks here ...

FIRST OFF - Bankruptcy rewards failed planning and lack of fiscal understanding - even though it is as you said "less damaging to yourself and your family" - that is an "ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY" which has been destroying our nation for years!

Zyphlin is well aware of the moral hazard issue associated with bankruptcy, bailouts, etc. His point was that individuals have options for debt reduction that the federal government does not.

Next: You said: we need to move away from even getting to a point where we need to constantly be having this debate

When?

...THE PROBLEM IS that even though we agree
.... some of us prefer to stop passing the buck to the next set of politicians

It's time to stop it NOW! ... before our government goes bankrupt.

The government cannot instantly balance its budget. There is not even a single case of a major industrialized state's having successfully engineered a fiscal swing of nearly 10% of GDP all in one year. A period of transition will be needed to bring the nation's finances back to a sustainable condition.

While it can be tempting for those on the sidelines to call on policy makers to immediately balance the budget, they can do so without bearing the enormous responsibility for the severely disruptive consequences of such an approach. Policy makers who have to deal with the consequences of their decisions have no such luxury. Hence, there is no prospect whatsoever that the nation's government would undertake such an endeaver.

IF our country goes bankrupt - it would wipe out global economy.

People overlook the fact that if our economy is weak our dollar will no longer be a platform which the world economy is basing its loans on.

Do you even know that whole OPEC oil market is on the American dollar?

Other countries have to convert their currency to the American Dollar before they can buy their oil ... if that ends - so does our priviledges

That's exactly why a credible fiscal consolidation program is needed.
 
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Yup... so all the rightys on this board can stop complaining now that Obama is not cutting anything, and we can finally agree to some small tax increases.

He still isnt. Hes leaving the cutting for someone down the road...like always. That is the very essence of politics as usual and the reason why people from every part of the political spectrum are tired of the way DC runs, or doesnt as the case may be.
 
Zyphlin is well aware of the moral hazard issue associated with bankruptcy, bailouts, etc. His point was that individuals have options for debt reduction that the federal government does not.
EXACTLY! individuals have options for debt reduction that the federal government does not ... however - the federal government can STILL go bankrupt ... and our government is closer than most Americans are aware of.


The government cannot instantly balance its budget. There is not even a single case of a major industrialized state's having successfully engineered a fiscal swing of nearly 10% of GDP all in one year. A period of transition will be needed to bring the nation's finances back to a sustainable condition.
... and Obama is spending money faster than a drunk at a bootlegger ...
He has FAILED as one who wants to reduce expenditures - worse than the little Bush.

While it can be tempting for those on the sidelines to call on policy makers to immediately balance the budget, they can do so without bearing the enormous responsibility for the severely disruptive consequences of such an approach. Policy makers who have to deal with the consequences of their decisions have no such luxury.
Policy makers who have to deal with the consequences of their decisions have the luxury of not running again while we (as you call us) ON THE SIDELINES are stuck with their incompetent decision making.

Look at ObamaCare - that is incompetence at it's best!

• Sen. Chris Dodd, who is in a tough reelection battle in Connecticut, got a big Reid favor of $100 million for a new hospital.
A tax break for Mutual of Omaha Insurance Company (Nelson).
• Federal money for ACORN, the left-wing activist group connected to phony voter registration lists (Sen. Roland Burris of Illinois).
• Medicaid payments of $600 million for Vermont. (Patrick Leahy).
• More than $10 billion for government health centers (Bernie Sanders of Vermont - a self proclaimed socialist).
• Florida seniors get to keep extra Medicare benefits that the elderly in other states will lose (Bill Nelson).
• Higher Medicare payments for hospitals in North Dakota (Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad).
• Extend Medicare benefits to a small group of miners in Montana sickened by asbestos (Max Baucus).
• ObamaCare waivers for high end restaurants in San Fransisco (Pelosi)


If ObamaCare were so great why would any business want to get a waiver from that? in liberal San Fransisco?

Hence, there is no prospect whatsoever that the nation's government would undertake such an endeaver.

Of course there is no prospect what so ever ... they are political prostitutes!
They sold themselves out and nailed us with the bill!

That's exactly why a credible fiscal consolidation program is needed.

A credible fiscal consolidation program be made is less likely than a Chevrolet Ranchero being made :roll:
 
Yup... so all the rightys on this board can stop complaining now that Obama is not cutting anything, and we can finally agree to some small tax increases.

Can you name any significant spending cut ever passed by the Democrat Party in US History?

When Obama actually signs something and cuts spending for the first time........you let us know.
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We cannot default on our debts, and I'd like to see the US take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. What to cut is a real sticking point, though. I'd start by ending the wars as quickly as possible.
 
I'm almost of the opinion that the democrats shouldn't even bother offering anything until like the day before the deadline, because we all know nothing will be agreed upon until then anyway.

It's an election season.

If PBO doesn't do what Republicans want, he and his majority colleagues will face the fall out from not extending the debt ceiling, aka a recession in the middle of an election.
Not good for him.

Republicans have the power in this play.
 
It's an election season.

If PBO doesn't do what Republicans want, he and his majority colleagues will face the fall out from not extending the debt ceiling, aka a recession in the middle of an election.
Not good for him.

Republicans have the power in this play.

I have to disagree... most Americans are in favor of higher taxes on the wealthy, that is just a fact. It fluctuates between 47% and 60 something percent in polls. The 47% was in a poll that was specifically worded with the terms "redistribute income" though which may have turned people off. I think that the Republicans will take the hit from this, especially since Obama is coming out and saying he is in favor of trillions of dollars in cuts and attacking entitlements, which previously the republicans had the power in saying that he did not want to cut anything and just wanted to "hike taxes". I just think that Obama very strategically finally came out and said 3-4 trillion in cuts is great for the dems, because it shows that they are willing to cut, and the only obstacle to raising the debt ceiling is small revenue increases. I'm not using the retarded corporate jet line that the dems keep using, but general removal of subsidies to businesses that are currently making excellent profits is not a bad idea -- not like cutting taxes is going to make them hire.
 
The federal employees are not allowed to be in a union... and so much for the right of people to do what they want eh? Your solution is basically to tell people what they can and can not do.. you are a bloody communist!



Well that is a double edged sword since lower pay rates could mean an even bigger tendency to accept bribes. Plus Congress has had the possibility to do this for ages, and all the Tea Party deficit hawk hypocrites are milking everything they can from Congress on this front. So when even the people who are suppose to be penny pinchers are spending like no tomorrow, then well.. good luck on that! I remember a Tea Party freshman asking his first question...when was he and his family going to get the Federal health insurance... and the same man was against public funding of health insurance... hypocrites! Or the GOP politicians that demanded massive cuts, but when asked if they were going to cut their own staff and costs, they pretty much all said no... HYPOCRITES!



Most are... and when they are given to non Americans, then the US congress with the GOP in the front demand a new biding process and the "correct" result..



Another right wing fantasy... you have NO idea what would have happened if there was no stimulus spending.. and also, quite a large part of the stimulus spending was spent by GOP members who were against the stimulus!.. there are plenty of big check moments where GOP including Tea Party idiots are taking credit for getting stimulus money to their local community...



Well cutting taxes wont work either, since they are at record lows... how about getting rid of subsidies and corporate tax breaks and loopholes?

What country are you referring to?
 
Иосиф Сталин;1059628885 said:
The nation cannot raise its debt ceiling and default on its creditors! Something has to be done to show we intend to pay our debts.

I take this very seriously and I hope our leaders do take it equally seriously indeed. I won't tolerate any lightheartedness on this topic.

The United States isn't going to default. Stop with the drama, please.

Treasury Details Steps to Avoid Default - WSJ.com
 
^^^ that was done to stop the default in May apdst. You and the prof really have trouble reading your own links. Hundreds of economists along with former treasury secretaries from both democratic and republican administrations have said allowing the debt to default would be catastrophic. Unless you are a noble prize winning economist, let's stop the BS, and realize the fact that Republicans need to start making concessions since the President is giving up so much.
 
Here is my take .. the debt ceiling is in no danger of not being raised .. Lets remember that republicans have no power to get anything “DONE” then can only stop things from getting done .. and they are using that power .. to get everything they can … and from my point of view .. they are doing so rather effectively ..

As to what Obama is giving up .. that is just a silly joke .. the budget for 2008 was 2.9 trillion .. budget for 2011 is 3.7 trillion .. or 800 billion in increased spending .. he is offering to cut 400 billion a year . . and I haven't seen anything that is verified in those cuts .. but even if they are honest cuts .. he has still increased spending by 400 billion in his 2 years .. tp say that he is giving up anything is just an outright lie .
 
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