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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Where this thread is going is kind of funny.

    If I am in a combat situation and all I have is an 80 pound pack and another soldier covering my ass, I am not going to care if that soldier is male, female, gay, straight or green with purple polka dots, as long as they are doing what they are supposed to do.

    The same goes for any other job I would be assigned.
    Why is it funny? I see nothing funny about people on the opposite side of the debate being just as bigoted and not seeing it.

    As for the rest, no one appears to disagree with that.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    So why would someone have to be taught to deal with people that are different from them?
    Because they have not had to deal with it before?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't know, being uncomfortable has nothing to do with "rational." It is an uncontrolled response for the most part, and a matter of perspective and subjective I would think.
    I would agree for the most part. A lot of fear on the part of human beings is irrational to begin with (for instance, people being afraid to get on planes, despite the fact that you're a lot more likely to die in a traffic accident than a plane crash). Unfortunately, many people's opinions about gays have been formed and reinforced by media stereotypes and uninformed portrayals of gay people, and a lot of the time that is where the fear originates.

    At the end of the day, I think education and professionalism will help most people get over it.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Why is it funny? I see nothing funny about people on the opposite side of the debate being just as bigoted and not seeing it.

    As for the rest, no one appears to disagree with that.
    My head is full of bad wiring and some things that strike me as funny are probably really horrible things.

    You are right though, bigotry is bigotry, and nothing can be done to dress it up to look pretty.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yu seem to have very little faith in the maturity, discipline, and honor of our military men and women if you think that to be true
    You seem to have very little first hand experience in the military, if you think I'm wrong.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You seem to have very little first hand experience in the military, if you think I'm wrong.
    I have some experience, and I think he's right. Just saying . . . .

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have some experience, and I think he's right. Just saying . . . .
    Weren't you AWOL from your unit, one time? Highly disciplined and mature soldiers don't do that.

    Not to mention, I think you're knowingly full of doo-doo, if you are claiming that junior enlisted personel don't need constant adult supervision.

    You know better...if, in fact, you served in the military...just sayin'.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Weren't you AWOL from your unit, one time? Highly disciplined and mature soldiers don't do that.

    Not to mention, I think you're knowingly full of doo-doo, if you are claiming that junior enlisted personel don't need constant adult supervision.

    You know better...if, in fact, you served in the military...just sayin'.
    Yeah I was. Car broke down. And I called in, kept in touch and accepted my punishment. I tend to think that was the mature way to handle it.

    I know that even young soliders are mature enough to be professional and follow orders. If they are not, we shouldn't be giving them guns.

    I was a medic at Fort Bragg. I served in HHB Divarty. I was in the 82nd Airborne. I think I can speak on the subject.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah I was. Car broke down. And I called in, kept in touch and accepted my punishment. I tend to think that was the mature way to handle it.
    I remember that story and I still think you had a supremely chicken **** 1st Sgt.

    I know that even young soliders are mature enough to be professional and follow orders. If they are not, we shouldn't be giving them guns.

    I was a medic at Fort Bragg. I served in HHB Divarty. I was in the 82nd Airborne. I think I can speak on the subject.
    That's right. They follow orders. Why? Because they require a lot of adult supervision.

    If soldiers didn't need so much adult supervision, there wouldn't be so many NCO's in your average unit. Everyone would all be the same rank. A mech infantry platoon consists of about 30 soldiers, 12 are NCO's and 1 is an officer. That's a lot of surpervision for 17 junior enlisted soldiers...don't you think?

    I was at Ft. Polk, Ft. Hood, Baumholder, Camp Grieves and Ft. Riley--Ft. Polk and Ft. Hood, twice- during my 12 years in the Bradleys and made the rank of E-7 and was acting 1st Sgt. when I ETS'ed. I've picked up soldiers out of the local drunk tank and seen soldiers from my platoon prosecuted for everything from rape, to car theft, to shop lifting, to sexual harassment of a senior officer. So...I can definitely speak with authority on the subject.

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    Re: ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Ban Must Take Effect, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I remember that story and I still think you had a supremely chicken **** 1st Sgt.



    That's right. They follow orders. Why? Because they require a lot of adult supervision.

    If soldiers didn't need so much adult supervision, there wouldn't be so many NCO's in your average unit. Everyone would all be the same rank. A mech infantry platoon consists of about 30 soldiers, 12 are NCO's and 1 is an officer. That's a lot of surpervision for 17 junior enlisted soldiers...don't you think?

    I was at Ft. Polk, Ft. Hood, Baumholder, Camp Grieves and Ft. Riley--Ft. Polk and Ft. Hood, twice- during my 12 years in the Bradleys and made the rank of E-7 and was acting 1st Sgt. when I ETS'ed. I've picked up soldiers out of the local drunk tank and seen soldiers from my platoon prosecuted for everything from rape, to car theft, to shop lifting, to sexual harassment of a senior officer. So...I can definitely speak with authority on the subject.
    I'm really shock at your low opinion of the military. I don't think we should let them go to war if they need this much supervision. Seriously, if they are not adult enough to handle something as small as this, they are not adult enough to sent to war. Adults don't put children in harms way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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