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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

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    That's my dad's 2nd favorite saying. His first is, "The truth will out, and time will tell." I've probably heard both about 10k times in my life.
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

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    My first is "No good deed goes unpunished"
    That's my motto. Along with "Karma's a vindictive bitch"
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

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    Sometimes the best thing we can do is step back, admit we went to far, and move on. Not only is it irrelevant whether it was pre-existing, nor that it is entirely unprovable either way, but whether the person had a pre-existing condition or not does not change that they served, and their family does deserve some form of comfort. It costs nothing.
    By the same token, it's going too far to say that the military caused a person to wig out. But, in my experience, people who crack, probably would have cracked, anyway. Hence the reason some people crack and some don't.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By the same token, it's going too far to say that the military caused a person to wig out.
    Then why does the military say that combat can cause a mental illness? Are you going to criticize the military for "going too far"?
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By the same token, it's going too far to say that the military caused a person to wig out.
    No one was saying that.
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one was saying that.
    Yes, someone did:

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think it's really disturbing that they ever put a ban on these letters. Servicemen and women are more likely than any other group to attempt suicide...perhaps there's some cause and effect going on there. How the hell does, "I'm sorry we're probably partially to blame for your family member trying to kill themselves...but since they did, **** you and your grief" make any sense?

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, someone did:
    Again, "Probably partially to blame" is not "omg, military, it's all your fault"
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Again, "Probably partially to blame" is not "omg, military, it's all your fault"
    The military isn't to blame for these troops losing their marbles and offing themselves.

    To answer the question, as to why the military didn't send condolence letters, it's because suicide is considered cowardice and the military doesn't reward cowardice, or any other substandard behavior. Soldiers who commit suicide dishonor themselves, their unit and their service.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To answer the question, as to why the military didn't send condolence letters, it's because suicide is considered cowardice and the military doesn't reward cowardice, or any other substandard behavior. Soldiers who commit suicide dishonor themselves, their unit and their service.

    The Pentagon disagrees with you. The military didn't send letters to their familes because they feared it would encourage more soldiers to commit suicide.

    As I pointed out, some peole think that mental illness is a character flaw. Some of these people are so deluded that they imagine the Pentagon shares their delusion
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Pentagon disagrees with you. The military didn't send letters to their familes because they feared it would encourage more soldiers to commit suicide.

    As I pointed out, some peole think that mental illness is a character flaw. Some of these people are so deluded that they imagine the Pentagon shares their delusion
    Now, where in the hell did you get that from?

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