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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

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    A fact? Well, no, not really:



    hmm!
    As noted above, you're misreading.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    This is a long time past due.

    In WW-I and WW-II the depression soldiers suffered was called Shell Shock and later became known as PTSD and it can be debilitating not to mention devastating.

    It's nice to that families can have an official response by the military but I want to see the treatment for PTSD stepped up and a more aggressive approach taken for our young people. They deserve the best and to hell with the cost

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Being related to and close with many military service men and women I find this disgusting.
    I found his comment disgusting too, and some other comments he has made about dead service members in other threads. I think adpst was ****ed up before he joined the military.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think it's really disturbing that they ever put a ban on these letters. Servicemen and women are more likely than any other group to attempt suicide...perhaps there's some cause and effect going on there. How the hell does, "I'm sorry we're probably partially to blame for your family member trying to kill themselves...but since they did, **** you and your grief" make any sense?
    Maybe it was an attempt to keep the option of suicide in the realm of taboo. I do see any hint of sanction by authority figures as dangerous to people who are in terrible circumstances and terrible psychic pain and who may be tempted. It's amazing how much force the hint of a nod has when a person is sorely tempted.

    I'm very glad the letters will now be written. Now if the politicians can just get out of the way of military decisions and take the PC straps off, maybe the soldiers would not be so miserable serving in untenable situations with their hands tied and their mouths gagged.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Maybe it was an attempt to keep the option of suicide in the realm of taboo. I do see any hint of sanction by authority figures as dangerous to people who are in terrible circumstances and terrible psychic pain and who may be tempted. It's amazing how much force the hint of a nod has when a person is sorely tempted.

    I'm very glad the letters will now be written. Now if the politicians can just get out of the way of military decisions and take the PC straps off, maybe the soldiers would not be so miserable serving in untenable situations with their hands tied and their mouths gagged.
    I was with you until the last sentence. I really wish you'd have stopped one sentence sooner.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Having spent over a decade in the service, I find it to be true, that people who go mental, after joining the service, were ****ed up before they enlisted.
    "Going mental"... that's insulting.

    I know a lot of people who have seen war and it's changed them. PTSD isn't very uncommon, they need therapy and need to learn how to manage. Some victims of war don't even have a choice. My great grandmother was orphaned in the Yugoslavian genocidal wars and she had to deal with that her entire life. My grandfather was drafted, and they both struggled with PTSD and nightmares.

    You need to learn to show your fellow service men and women more respect than to write them off as "mental." Soldiers get injured in war, emotional scars are no different than physical scars.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why was there ever a ban on it to begin with? I don't even understand what possible purpose they thought it served.
    I guess it's because they didn't die an honorable death according to somebody... The policy wasn't right though.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is a long time past due.

    In WW-I and WW-II the depression soldiers suffered was called Shell Shock and later became known as PTSD and it can be debilitating not to mention devastating.

    It's nice to that families can have an official response by the military but I want to see the treatment for PTSD stepped up and a more aggressive approach taken for our young people. They deserve the best and to hell with the cost
    Historically, it was called, "soldier's fever", during the Civil War, "shell shock", during WW1 and, "combat fatigue", up until Vietnam. Just for clarity.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    "Going mental"... that's insulting.

    I know a lot of people who have seen war and it's changed them. PTSD isn't very uncommon, they need therapy and need to learn how to manage. Some victims of war don't even have a choice. My great grandmother was orphaned in the Yugoslavian genocidal wars and she had to deal with that her entire life. My grandfather was drafted, and they both struggled with PTSD and nightmares.

    You need to learn to show your fellow service men and women more respect than to write them off as "mental." Soldiers get injured in war, emotional scars are no different than physical scars.

    I guess you missed when I said, "most". Nothing unusual, there.

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