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White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

I never said anything of the sort. You need to apologize.

I'm sorry that you're such a miserable sack of **** that you want to attack suicide victims as being "****ed up before they enlisted" (and therefore unworthy of any human dignity).
 
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Just a fact, no one blamed the military for the suicides. The issue was they weren't sending condolences. Seems a no brainer that they should.

A fact? Well, no, not really:

I think it's really disturbing that they ever put a ban on these letters. Servicemen and women are more likely than any other group to attempt suicide...perhaps there's some cause and effect going on there. How the hell does, "I'm sorry we're probably partially to blame for your family member trying to kill themselves...but since they did, **** you and your grief" make any sense?

hmm!
 
A fact? Well, no, not really:



hmm!

"probably partially to blame" is not "it's the military's fault entirely that people kill themselves".

Reading comprehension is your friend.
 
I really don't think we should be honoring suicide. I have no problem with condolences, but we shouldn't honor their deaths when they commit suicide. This being said, I don't think it's wrong to honor how they lived and served.
 
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This is a long time past due.

In WW-I and WW-II the depression soldiers suffered was called Shell Shock and later became known as PTSD and it can be debilitating not to mention devastating.

It's nice to that families can have an official response by the military but I want to see the treatment for PTSD stepped up and a more aggressive approach taken for our young people. They deserve the best and to hell with the cost
 
Being related to and close with many military service men and women I find this disgusting.

I found his comment disgusting too, and some other comments he has made about dead service members in other threads. I think adpst was ****ed up before he joined the military.
 
I think it's really disturbing that they ever put a ban on these letters. Servicemen and women are more likely than any other group to attempt suicide...perhaps there's some cause and effect going on there. How the hell does, "I'm sorry we're probably partially to blame for your family member trying to kill themselves...but since they did, **** you and your grief" make any sense?

Maybe it was an attempt to keep the option of suicide in the realm of taboo. I do see any hint of sanction by authority figures as dangerous to people who are in terrible circumstances and terrible psychic pain and who may be tempted. It's amazing how much force the hint of a nod has when a person is sorely tempted.

I'm very glad the letters will now be written. Now if the politicians can just get out of the way of military decisions and take the PC straps off, maybe the soldiers would not be so miserable serving in untenable situations with their hands tied and their mouths gagged.
 
Maybe it was an attempt to keep the option of suicide in the realm of taboo. I do see any hint of sanction by authority figures as dangerous to people who are in terrible circumstances and terrible psychic pain and who may be tempted. It's amazing how much force the hint of a nod has when a person is sorely tempted.

I'm very glad the letters will now be written. Now if the politicians can just get out of the way of military decisions and take the PC straps off, maybe the soldiers would not be so miserable serving in untenable situations with their hands tied and their mouths gagged.

I was with you until the last sentence. I really wish you'd have stopped one sentence sooner.
 
Having spent over a decade in the service, I find it to be true, that people who go mental, after joining the service, were ****ed up before they enlisted.

"Going mental"... that's insulting.

I know a lot of people who have seen war and it's changed them. PTSD isn't very uncommon, they need therapy and need to learn how to manage. Some victims of war don't even have a choice. My great grandmother was orphaned in the Yugoslavian genocidal wars and she had to deal with that her entire life. My grandfather was drafted, and they both struggled with PTSD and nightmares.

You need to learn to show your fellow service men and women more respect than to write them off as "mental." Soldiers get injured in war, emotional scars are no different than physical scars.
 
Why was there ever a ban on it to begin with? I don't even understand what possible purpose they thought it served.

I guess it's because they didn't die an honorable death according to somebody... The policy wasn't right though.
 
This is a long time past due.

In WW-I and WW-II the depression soldiers suffered was called Shell Shock and later became known as PTSD and it can be debilitating not to mention devastating.

It's nice to that families can have an official response by the military but I want to see the treatment for PTSD stepped up and a more aggressive approach taken for our young people. They deserve the best and to hell with the cost

Historically, it was called, "soldier's fever", during the Civil War, "shell shock", during WW1 and, "combat fatigue", up until Vietnam. Just for clarity.
 
"Going mental"... that's insulting.

I know a lot of people who have seen war and it's changed them. PTSD isn't very uncommon, they need therapy and need to learn how to manage. Some victims of war don't even have a choice. My great grandmother was orphaned in the Yugoslavian genocidal wars and she had to deal with that her entire life. My grandfather was drafted, and they both struggled with PTSD and nightmares.

You need to learn to show your fellow service men and women more respect than to write them off as "mental." Soldiers get injured in war, emotional scars are no different than physical scars.


I guess you missed when I said, "most". Nothing unusual, there.
 
Or...

As usual you come into threads like these and say deliberately inflammatory things to rile people up because you get off on it, This isn't he first thread to do with suicide that you've bombed with pathetic bull**** like this.

You have enough tissues on hand?

You can add "and death of soldiers" next to that...
 
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What's the problem?

Where to begin. It has nothing to do with the topic. It's not likely true. It smells of partisan nonsense. Wars cannot be fought without poltical realities. We have civilian leadership for a reason.
 
I never even knew that this was banned. Good reversal in my opinion.

Now as a vet, I see that there are valid points here. Yes, there are ****ed up people that get in the military and then snap due to unknown pre-existing conditions (Eric Harris, one of the Columbione shooters tried to get in the Marines, but was not allowed in due to his psych meds) . That's why it's important for boot camps to be harder, rather than softer. To weed them out in a controlled environment where they have less chance to harm themselves or others. There are also some who come back different from injuries suffered in combat, or could make it through a "softer" boot camp and then not be properly prepared (as much as one can) for the stresses that combat roles entail. Other things might be personal issues that simply arose while in the service. The actual "service" had nothing to do with it, nor were they suicidal prior. There are as many reasons and avenues for the path to suicide being a service member as there are for civilians. Some will paint suicide in the military as being directly tied to being in the military and others will say it has nothing to do with their service. The truth may include both ends of that spectrum, and anywhere in between. Some people (who incur injuries sustained in training/combat) I would feel sympathy for. Traumatic brain injuries can completely change a person. People that want to kill themselves because their g/f was ****ing another Marine, I just consider weak but thats just opinion.

Regardless of the reasons, I see no reason why the government couldn't at least extend a condolence to the family.
 
Can't blame the service. Most of those people were ****ed up, before they ever enlisted.

In another thread you argued that EVERY servicemembers death should be treated the same way.m I can provide a link if you like

I dont think that anyone servicemember who dies while being in the service should be criticized. In just a few days, I've seen you insult every single dead servicemember whose death has been reported on DP.
 
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Ah! You illustrate my point. Thank you!

FWIW, I don't blame the person. My youngest daughter is a special needs child and I certainly don't ****ing blame her!

You said they were screwed up before they even joined, and their service had nothing to do with their death.

No, you're not blaming the dead soldier. :roll:
 
In another thread you argued that EVERY servicemembers death should be treated the same way.m I can provide a link if you like

I dont think that anyone servicemember who dies while being in the service should be criticized. In just a few days, I've seen you insult every single dead servicemember whose death has been reported on DP.

No, actually, I said that a soldier's death shouldn't be exploited for political purposes. Get it straight.
 
You said they were screwed up before they even joined, and their service had nothing to do with their death.

No, you're not blaming the dead soldier. :roll:

Of course I'm not. It's not their fault that they were ****ed up before they enlisted.

I was responding to the post earlier in this thread that blamed the military for those soldiers commiting suicide. But, hey, I certainly don't expect any of the hand-wringers to notice that.
 
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