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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Or...

    As usual you come into threads like these and say deliberately inflammatory things to rile people up because you get off on it, This isn't he first thread to do with suicide that you've bombed with pathetic bull**** like this.

    You have enough tissues on hand?
    Why don't you ask for sources then?
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why don't you ask for sources then?
    For what? Exactly?

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Or...

    As usual you come into threads like these and say deliberately inflammatory things to rile people up because you get off on it, This isn't he first thread to do with suicide that you've bombed with pathetic bull**** like this.

    You have enough tissues on hand?
    Or, I use my actual real world experience to correct an erroneous statement.

    Do you really believe that the U.S. military is to blame for servicemen committing suicide? I'm thinking that you probably don't believe that.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Any traumatic event (such as a war) affects different people differently. Some people are fine, some suffer PTSD, and a few are driven to suicide. Saying that they were "****ed up before they enlisted" is just a sneaky way of saying "they were pieces of **** before they enlisted, so **** them." Even if they were mentally ill, being in a war zone probably didn't help their mental state. And in any case, they were human beings deserving of respect.
    So, what unit were you in? Got anything to back up your statements?

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, I use my actual real world experience to correct an erroneous statement.

    Do you really believe that the U.S. military is to blame for servicemen committing suicide? I'm thinking that you probably don't believe that.
    No. War is.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, I use my actual real world experience to correct an erroneous statement.

    Do you really believe that the U.S. military is to blame for servicemen committing suicide? I'm thinking that you probably don't believe that.
    The trouble with this kind of thing is it is likely tainted by your perception or mispreception.

    So, while I won't go so far as to blame the military, you seem to blame the person, which is not only heartless and cruel, especially to those who have lost love ones this way, but likely an oversimplification that doesn't consider all factors. Makes you feel better, so you can say it would never be you, and we all hope it won't be, but it is not likely anything worthy of comment on.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No. War is.

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    The war just brought the issues to the surface.

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what unit were you in? Got anything to back up your statements?
    Umm which statement? That trauma affects different people differently? How about a little thing called the entire field of psychology?
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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The war just brought the issues to the surface.
    Or created a few issues. How would know which one?

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    Re: White House to lift ban on military suicide condolences

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The trouble with this kind of thing is it is likely tainted by your perception or mispreception.

    So, while I won't go so far as to blame the military, you seem to blame the person, which is not only heartless and cruel, especially to those who have lost love ones this way, but likely an oversimplification that doesn't consider all factors. Makes you feel better, so you can say it would never be you, and we all hope it won't be, but it is not likely anything worthy of comment on.

    Ah! You illustrate my point. Thank you!

    FWIW, I don't blame the person. My youngest daughter is a special needs child and I certainly don't ****ing blame her!

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